three@Ketchum How many does Texas land in the states top 15 players?
Benjamin, Ehlinger and Chaisson.
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three@Ketchum How many does Texas land in the states top 15 players?
Ketch, honestly, is there anybody that Herman could hire at DC who's appreciably better than Todd Orlando?
Is Dave Aranda that much better a coordinator than Orlando is and is he worth nearly a million more?
People here - skeptics - bring up the SMU, Navy and Memphis games to question Orlando's credentials while ignoring (intentionally?) the excellent defensive performances they had in Herman's 2 years at Houston. Your write up should quiet some of those folks. Some.
So this will be the worst class Texas has had in the last 15 years?three
Benjamin, Ehlinger and Chaisson.
Not surprised this was the rationale for Texas taking a pass. Those Granger folks like to get it in for sure. Fun group to hang out with. Thanks for the explanation Ketch.He was wild and crazy. It was 50-50 each Friday night as to whether he would last the entire game without getting thrown out, getting involved in a fight or generally acting like a fool, while dominating the game. His brother was a bad ass, too.
What also helped Stoops was that he had a very good staff back then too. IIRC Leach and Mangino and Venables were part of that staff. You also had a VERY fast buy in by that team.
It also helped that they played a disinterested FSU team in the NC game and beat them...if FSU plays anywhere near what they were capable of they would have beaten OU.
His academics were also shaky. Came down to KSU and OU.Not surprised this was the rationale for Texas taking a pass. Those Granger folks like to get it in for sure. Fun group to hang out with. Thanks for the explanation Ketch.
Bottom Line : Using the same logic how do we know if any of the sophomores and juniors left by Strong are good or capable of winning. Their wart is they have never had a winning season, lost to Kansas and are soft and undisciplined.It amazes me how vicious posters are here with respect to Strong, while being equally forgiving with respect to Herman and his staff. Strong absolutely needed to be replaced. He had good talent that way underperformed and wasn't showing near the progress they should have. That said, he left the program in much better shape to win than he inherited. Mack left some very good players, but almost all were seniors and there was no depth beyond those top guys. We are returning almost an entire two deep with sophs and juniors for Herman.
Saying someone shouldn't be skeptical about multiple terrible defensive efforts by UH defenses this year is being blind. Sure they had some good games. But they play in a meh conference, and getting their asses kicked by SMU and Memphis types is exactly what got Strong fired. Navy is a one trick pony offense that others stopped cold, and UH looked lost against.
Bottom line, Orlando's writeup by Ketch sounded promising. And everyone here should want him to be hugely successful taking all the talent on hand and making it, as Ketch said, the best defense in the B12 next year. But until that happens, being skeptical about a guy who has never coached at this level, and has some ugly and recent warts on his resume is pretty reasonable.
I'm going to hope for the best. But I wish I had more confidence.
They beat a disinterested FSU team in the national championship game? Really? What was FSU preparing for their first game of the 2001 season? Serious burnt orange glasses in that post
Greatest movie lawyer:
Paul Newman's Frank Galvin in "The Verdict"
Dusty Dvoracek has a very successful radio show up here. He is an emerging talent. This is the sum of his statement on the air.
"Bob gave him a second chance now he is working for ESPN"
You can go with the hard line, but there are two things to consider. One, if the opinion is rooted in an advocacy for a competitor, the opinion is strongly devalued. Secondly, what has greater social impact, redeeming an individual or creating "throw away" people. There is nothing in Stoop's resume that even hints at tolerance of repeated transgressions.
The real work of an educator is to improve people. I'll take people that improve the social structure over the punishment crowd all day long. It's the superior thinking.
YOu are missing the point. HIs second chance should never have occurred at Oklahoma. Never. It wasn't his first or second or third violent offense. He crushed a guy's face.
You, good sir, are really missing the point. Enabling abusers doesn't become right because a guy hasn't been arrested or beaten anyone to a pulp in the last few years.
Well thought out and reasonable response.I hope you appreciate that I'm attempting to challenge your thinking on a societal level. I don't know the background of your formed opinions. I don't know you. I don't know your triggers. I'm certainly not trying to provoke you over team affiliation. Nevertheless, In my opinion, your thinking is wrong minded.
For context, I spent four years in Austin studying the philosophy and criminology. I still love Austin and UT for the most part. I moved to Norman after we had our first child and I needed someone to pay me to work. Oil and gas was the ticket. I really don't care for Stoops personally, but that's more the occasional frustration with the role of sports in our educational system, the emphasis, the money, the privilege, etc. Nevertheless, I grudgingly acknowledge that whatever he works with gets better over time. His teams get better over the course of a year. The people under his direction become better people over their time in the program. Being in town over the duration of his coaching tenure, it's incontrovertible.
As for second chances, It's a violent sport. It's a violent sport that we embrace for it's ability to entertain us. It's a violent sport we tolerate for economic gain. Often, it is a sport best performed by aggressive people, maybe in some cases by aggressive people lacking the best influences in their life. Do we not have some obligation to give the guys a chance, to teach them to proper conduct, to allow them to become better people. Teaching and betterment is not enabling. It's socially beneficial and morally sound. It's the purpose of education and mentoring. If someone proves irredeemable, or resistant to expectations, fine, you get rid of them. Your mistake, in my opinion is rooted in the notion that unacceptable behavior is tolerated and allowed to continue unchecked. In a lot of cases, that's just tribal thinking which influences others with the wrong information.
Well, at the very least, he can't be much worse than Strong was as a coach.It amazes me how vicious posters are here with respect to Strong, while being equally forgiving with respect to Herman and his staff. Strong absolutely needed to be replaced. He had good talent that way underperformed and wasn't showing near the progress they should have. That said, he left the program in much better shape to win than he inherited. Mack left some very good players, but almost all were seniors and there was no depth beyond those top guys. We are returning almost an entire two deep with sophs and juniors for Herman.
Saying someone shouldn't be skeptical about multiple terrible defensive efforts by UH defenses this year is being blind. Sure they had some good games. But they play in a meh conference, and getting their asses kicked by SMU and Memphis types is exactly what got Strong fired. Navy is a one trick pony offense that others stopped cold, and UH looked lost against.
Bottom line, Orlando's writeup by Ketch sounded promising. And everyone here should want him to be hugely successful taking all the talent on hand and making it, as Ketch said, the best defense in the B12 next year. But until that happens, being skeptical about a guy who has never coached at this level, and has some ugly and recent warts on his resume is pretty reasonable.
I'm going to hope for the best. But I wish I had more confidence.
Their NC loss crushed me. I really appreciate the talent, effort and hard work these girls put in every year. I hope they have the best of everything at their disposal because they certainly deserve it.Amen on our under appreciated Volleyball team!
I don't think Ketch's write up was indicating "we" are obsessed with ou anymore than his work on baylor and "we" being accused of being obsessed with baylor!k
By we, do you mean Oklahoma, because that's the site your profile is affiliated with?
How ironic...
Never used the words All Star but I think there is some letdown by posters after posts and tweets like this from you. Your post below is from a thread titled "Ketch: Dream Staff Coming Together?".What are you talking about?
What is an example of what you're talking about?
He's going to have a monster staff. It's one of the things pro-Herman Texas supporters loved about the idea.