Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (What the UT QB situation really looks like...)
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That's an extremely strange take for multiple reasons.
a. He didn't play well in a lot of games. He really only played well against one team with a winning record.
b. No one is talking shit.
I've spent time in almost every major city in America. My wife is from Houston. My family is from the Metroplex.
a. While I do need to get out more as the parent of near three-year old twins.
b. I've got a great handle on this discussion.
I'm curious to see how effective SB is without presnap leverage over safeties and linebackers from their assignments for Foreman.
Another thing to consider is that the new offense asks the QB to take on different a different role and assigns different tasks than Gilbert's. Different routes on different timing when putting the ball in the air, and a much different role - in both reads and responsibilities - in the offense's core run scheme. Shane will be learning the new offense as it's installed - Sam has been running this offense for years at Westlake.
I'm not sure Joe Texas fan is capable of assessing this topic reasonably. For many folks, because SB has suited up for a year, there is a tangible emotional investment made in him. From that position, it's quite easy to use clichéd defenses such as "every freshman QB should redshirt" and "SB was pretty good for a true freshman, and he'll only get better, so he deserves to play every snap his sophomore year." Oh, and "everyone's favorite player is the backup QB."
This mindset has a predetermined outcome of SE redshirting and SB playing every snap. But this is faulty logic. The outcome should be focused on what gives the 2017 team the best opportunity to maximize results. Through that lense, the discussion can be had at a scientific level instead of an emotional one.
Another thing to consider is that the new offense asks the QB to take on different a different role and assigns different tasks than Gilbert's. Different routes on different timing when putting the ball in the air, and a much different role - in both reads and responsibilities - in the offense's core run scheme. Shane will be learning the new offense as it's installed - Sam has been running this offense for years at Westlake.
I'm not sure Joe Texas fan is capable of assessing this topic reasonably. For many folks, because SB has suited up for a year, there is a tangible emotional investment made in him. From that position, it's quite easy to use clichéd defenses such as "every freshman QB should redshirt" and "SB was pretty good for a true freshman, and he'll only get better, so he deserves to play every snap his sophomore year." Oh, and "everyone's favorite player is the backup QB."
This mindset has a predetermined outcome of SE redshirting and SB playing every snap. But this is faulty logic. The outcome should be focused on what gives the 2017 team the best opportunity to maximize results. Through that lense, the discussion can be had at a scientific level instead of an emotional one.
Great handle on the discussion? It's an opinion about cities. FWIW, pretty sure I didn't say Austin was a terrible city. But believe it or not, everyone doesn't think of it as some awe-inspiring great American city. For the things that I like, I don't find it better than Greater Houston. This is sorta sounding like your passionate argument about Prince being hands down better than McCartney.
Freshman have only been allowed to play "Varsity" football since 1968. That being said it's still a small number.
Jalen Hurts with 5 stars everywhere saids HI with his 139...
The Longhorns were a young team with youth everywhere on offense...and that brought inconsistency...
Shane looked so much better than his immediate predecessors it was easy to get enthusiastic and overlook problems, and even when the bad games came there were legit excuses. Sober reflection yields "good, not great, year; hope for the future". But those think Sam is getting a RS year, absent injury, are in fantasyland.
Between this and the podcast (finally had enough time to listen to part of one) you are really driving this supposed controversy regarding quarterbacks. Not sure why, other than just to kick the ant hill and watch people get worked up.
I guess it's working because prior to the podcast I hadn't seen anyone argue about one qb vs another and now people are taking sides and digging in.
You certainly appear to... how many times did you say you were just playing devil's advocate on the podcast segment on qbs.
I guess it's working because prior to the podcast I hadn't seen anyone argue about one qb vs another and now people are taking sides and digging in.
You certainly appear to... how many times did you say you were just playing devil's advocate on the podcast segment on qbs.
I sense the vibe from the mods, except from @Anwar Richardson, is that Shane is going to curl up in the fetal position in a quarterback duel with Sam. My guess is Shane has too much red ass in him to do that. I think some of them will be a bit disappointed.
No. 4 – Buy or sell …
BUY OR SELL: Austin is too crowded and become a victim of its own success?
(Sell) You’ll forgive me if I find this to be crazy talk. Is there a lot of traffic and people? Without question. Does that somehow change the fact that the city is the crowned jewel of our state? Get out of here with that silliness.
It’s a highly educated, open-minded city. The music scene remains vibrant. The food scene improves yearly. Lake Travis is full, which means in October you can sail your boat in the day and watch the Longhorns along with 100,000 others at night. Along with its quest to forever remain weirder than the rest, at the core of Austin’s soul is one of the largest undergrad bases of any major city in the country, which forever keeps the town young and fresh. On top of that, it’s a great place to raise a family. As long as I can still get a sandwich from Avenue B Grocery or hear Toni Price at The Continental Club or go for a walk along Town Lake, I won’t hear any talk of Austin being a victim of its own success.
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I'm sorry Ketch, but I totally disagree.
Born and raised Austinite and I am disgusted with what my hometown is becoming. I can't even afford to live in Austin anymore and had to move to Pflugerville! I am wishing/hoping that maybe some opportunity will take me somewhere else just so I can get farther away, which is really sad. It's too big, too overcrowded, too expensive. It's not the Austin that I used to know.
BUY OR SELL: Austin is too crowded and become a victim of its own success?
(Sell) You’ll forgive me if I find this to be crazy talk. Is there a lot of traffic and people? Without question. Does that somehow change the fact that the city is the crowned jewel of our state? Get out of here with that silliness.
It’s a highly educated, open-minded city. The music scene remains vibrant. The food scene improves yearly. Lake Travis is full, which means in October you can sail your boat in the day and watch the Longhorns along with 100,000 others at night. Along with its quest to forever remain weirder than the rest, at the core of Austin’s soul is one of the largest undergrad bases of any major city in the country, which forever keeps the town young and fresh. On top of that, it’s a great place to raise a family. As long as I can still get a sandwich from Avenue B Grocery or hear Toni Price at The Continental Club or go for a walk along Town Lake, I won’t hear any talk of Austin being a victim of its own success.
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I'm sorry Ketch, but I totally disagree.
Born and raised Austinite and I am disgusted with what my hometown is becoming. I can't even afford to live in Austin anymore and had to move to Pflugerville! I am wishing/hoping that maybe some opportunity will take me somewhere else just so I can get farther away, which is really sad. It's too big, too overcrowded, too expensive. It's not the Austin that I used to know.
You've conveniently left out all of the parts of Hurts' game that makes him good, none of which Buechele really brings to the table.
Notable hyperbole difference in Major/Simms and Buchelle/Erlinger.... Big 12 Player of the Year/Number 1 recruit. Vs....Better than avg qb/Top 200? Recruit. Let's not get all crazy up in here.
I think he was hurt for a number of games last year; how manage, who knows, but it definitely affected his performance.
I'm sure he's already working on it, but that is why him adding muscle mass is critically important.
Shane Buechele - 236-391, 2,958 yards, 21 TDs, 11 INTs, 136 passer rating in 12 games
Jalen Hurts - 240-382, 2,780 yards, 23 TDs, 9 INTs, 139.1 passer rating in 15 games
I think Buechele will be okay
Shane Buechele - 236-391, 2,958 yards, 21 TDs, 11 INTs, 136 passer rating in 12 games
Jalen Hurts - 240-382, 2,780 yards, 23 TDs, 9 INTs, 139.1 passer rating in 15 games
I think Buechele will be okay
You might just get a strongly worded email from @Ketchum.
Hmm... seem to recall someone writing last week if people are devaluing Shane Buechele.
If Hurts was good enough to compete for a national title, then put talent around Buechele and you're good to go.
By the way, I don't sense Ketch is saying Buechele sucks. I feel like he's saying there's room for improvement.
Thanks for the update on the memorial fund. I am an old and not comfortable doing online stuff but you convinced me and I am proud to say I did contribute to the fund.
Thanks.
Thanks.
The coaches really did all they could to limit his exposure to contact last year. They were terrified of him getting injured because of his lack of body strength. He should be much better situated to handle the normal bangs and pains this season.
a. I expect more from you than half a picture.Shane Buechele - 236-391, 2,958 yards, 21 TDs, 11 INTs, 136 passer rating in 12 games
Jalen Hurts - 240-382, 2,780 yards, 23 TDs, 9 INTs, 139.1 passer rating in 15 games
I think Buechele will be okay
Rushing numbers
Buechele - 151 yards and two touchdowns
Hurts - 954 yards and 13 touchdowns.
Meanwhile, he topped the 140+ mark in nearly twice as many games as Buechele, including with half of them occurring against teams with winning records.
So, just for the record, Hurts' passing numbers were better than Buechele's in every aspect and he added a game-breaking run threat and he won games against good teams.
b. I think Buechele will be ok as well.
why would I need to send an email to refute a poorly positioned comparison between two radically different players?
I haven't devalued Buechele, I've properly valued him.
When you can't dispute the facts, shoot the messenger with misleading labels and claims. It worked in the election, so I don't blame you.
a. You can't really believe that those two players are the same thing... Come on...
b. Did you read the article? Maybe this section?
If you’re thinking that I’m trying to take a shot at Buechele by pointing these facts out, you’re sorely mistaken. As I’ve said repeatedly, I think he has all-Big 12 and championship upside. On top of that, I’ve never heard anyone say a bad thing about the young man and I ranked him as the No.10 prospect in the state in my 2016 rankings.
I feel like everyone skipped right past that part.
