Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (When forever really means forever)
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Who did Valpo lose to in the Tournament after Drew's shot?
How many times have you seen that shot?
THe options are limited in every direction at the most important position on the field.
Liked it man, as usual. People are missing the point on the buzzer beater. It's all part of the March Madness branding. That anything can happen. It's as good a symbol as any when you need a quick impact clip. The circumstances don't matter that much. In fact, that's what makes the clip meaningful...that it could happen for or against any team, regardless of the names involved.
That Texas Baseball bit was funny.
You didn't write about MMA, but a random thought I want to place here. What makes some guys have heavy hands? Watching Mark Hunt fight again this weekend got me thinking. Is there a simple scientific answer? I've seen a million fights and can't tell the difference scientifically. A guy like Hunt can throw a punch and almost floor anyone, even without really landing it flush with max power. I see other big guys throw haymakers that land flush and don't seem to have the impact. What makes heavy hands? Even fighters can't really explain it. I know I've been hit by some guys that seem to have bricks for hands.
That Texas Baseball bit was funny.
You didn't write about MMA, but a random thought I want to place here. What makes some guys have heavy hands? Watching Mark Hunt fight again this weekend got me thinking. Is there a simple scientific answer? I've seen a million fights and can't tell the difference scientifically. A guy like Hunt can throw a punch and almost floor anyone, even without really landing it flush with max power. I see other big guys throw haymakers that land flush and don't seem to have the impact. What makes heavy hands? Even fighters can't really explain it. I know I've been hit by some guys that seem to have bricks for hands.
I agree with you Ketch that was a one and 35 year type of game ending shot but on the contrary all I've heard today on sports talk radio or seen on sports talk TV is mention of the epic collapse by NIU, zero mention of the shot from Friday although when they cut it up to recap the tourney it will be in the highlight real. Just don't see it living on in infamy especially if there is another dramatic game ending shot in this tourney.
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Ketch, entertaining read as always. Just a couple of thoughts:
1. Iconic moments in Texas sports history: Street to Peschel in The Big Shootout/Game of the Century. That play was as iconic as VY for the win was, for 36 years. And the de facto national championship was on the line also.
2. It's hard to believe that Ricky Williams' ypc average as a freshman did not exceed 6.8 ypc. I had to go and check the math. I DO remember that at one point in the1995 season he was averaging over 9 yards per carry...as a fullback who had only about 10-12 carries per game. And he still almost reached 1000 yds on the year.
1. Iconic moments in Texas sports history: Street to Peschel in The Big Shootout/Game of the Century. That play was as iconic as VY for the win was, for 36 years. And the de facto national championship was on the line also.
2. It's hard to believe that Ricky Williams' ypc average as a freshman did not exceed 6.8 ypc. I had to go and check the math. I DO remember that at one point in the1995 season he was averaging over 9 yards per carry...as a fullback who had only about 10-12 carries per game. And he still almost reached 1000 yds on the year.
I just know that in my household and amongst my group of rabid Longhorn folk, we kind of laughed in disappointed disbelief after it happened and then it wasn't even a thing about 20 minutes later. Maybe we will see it on future NCAA tournament ads or something, but I just can't see it. The Crabtree catch, for just one example, stung 100,000x more than that shot. I remember every detail about the catch, the broken tackle, the run into the endzone, the "I dreamed it in my head" post game quote, etc. I bet nearly every person reading this thread remembers that catch in much the same way. That is a true, all-time heartbreaking moment. The way you're describing this shot is how I'd imagine Wildcats get when they talk about Laettner's shot. I suppose only time will tell.
Ketch, there is no way on earth that they'll replay the half-court shot in anything like the volume of the Crabtree catch. Not even on the same level. And in no way is it as painful as watching Crabtree appear every time Texas plays Tech in any sport on TV. It hurt, but it didn't melt down a national championship like that Tech game. Not even close.
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The majority of Texas fans just aren't emotionally attached to the play one way or the other.
Was it disappointing? of course.
Was it devastating seeing a 6th seed, overachieving team, in its coaches first year lose to a team that everyone including this site said they could possibly lose too? Not so much.
I think the disconnect with Ketch and the majority on the board is semantics. While the shot may be replayed on loop along with all the other game winning shots that make March Madness well, madness.
The majority of Texas fans just aren't emotionally attached to the play one way or the other.
Was it disappointing? of course.
Was it devastating seeing a 6th seed, overachieving team, in its coaches first year lose to a team that everyone including this site said they could possibly lose too? Not so much.
It took Hield 4 years to become the player that he is today...Simmons is still just a frosh.
Simmons has his shortcomings but his situation at LSU with THAT team and coach is very different than what Hield has at OU or even Brandon Ingram has at Duke.
Well that's not exactly a similar situation considering Valparaiso didn't lose their next game in one of the worst choke jobs in recent memory. That's what people are going to remember because it was that epic of a collapse. The choke job trumps the shot, and that's been my experience today. It's the bigger story.
I've probably seen the Drew shot maybe 10-15 times the last 18 years. Not entirely sure, but I expect over time it will probably be similar or less for the Northern Iowa half court buzzer beater. I don't consider it hugely iconic or in the same league of other past game winning shots. I also watched ATH, PTI, and Sportscenter and none showed or even mentioned the NI shot once while the choke job was one of the main stories of all 3 shows.
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That Mark Hunt punch didn't even make sense. I never saw an angle that looked like he totally rocked him, yet rocked him he did.
Because you don't think like a TV guy. That A&M/UNI game ending can't be summed up with a highlight.
McGuapo has it exactly right.
The choke job by NIU will live on forever. It's all time in the game of basketball. I don't think those players will be thinking about the shot for awhile. Yeah it will be replayed often because it's a quick, dramatic highlight that will be used often for tournament promos. When he hit it I wasn't even shocked. After the last few years of UT athletics I just shrugged my shoulders. Just been kind of beaten down I guess. My kid in the other room was going nuts. I had to tell him to quit cussing. I can't believe the damn aggies got that lucky. But they never quit. I was feeling pretty dang good seeing maybe their best team ever getting knocked out in the 2nd round. Then it all went to hell.
Ketch, methinks you're getting a tad dramatic on where the NIU loss ranks in the grand scheme of things.
We played a crap game - pretty much laid down after Taylor tied it - the kid dribbled thru three of our defenders and made a shot.
When it went in, I couldn't get all that upset.
Wished it had turned out different but I would have rather lost to NIU than aggy.
No biggie.
Interesting learning about your Mom's "biker boyfriend" though. Sounds like your younger years weren't exactly Leave It To Beaver material.
We played a crap game - pretty much laid down after Taylor tied it - the kid dribbled thru three of our defenders and made a shot.
When it went in, I couldn't get all that upset.
Wished it had turned out different but I would have rather lost to NIU than aggy.
No biggie.
Interesting learning about your Mom's "biker boyfriend" though. Sounds like your younger years weren't exactly Leave It To Beaver material.
Yeah, it's not the first time he's kind of side swiped someone and knocked them out.
Yeah, it'll be the NCAA's new favorite gif, like we use the "it's happening" gif.
Damn Ketch...smfh. Please don't tell me you think Hollis Price is better than this guy. Please tell me you totally dropped the ball.
a. Your level of upsetness (I just made that word up) isn't really the issue. The issue is the optics of that shot and how easily replayable it will be in future years to sum up the madness that is March.
Everyone seems to be ignoring any and all questions that I ask in response to their comments. I'll take a stab with you.
How many times have you seen the Tate George and Bryce Drew shots?
Do you remember how they ultimately were eliminated from the Tournament?
Is that shot from Friday on par with those?
b. Randall was a good dude, he just rode a motorcycle and had that kind of vibe. Outside of that, my mom didn't date a ton of dudes. Ultimately, I was raised by mom and two grandmothers.
Well, since you said "lulz" you've totally convinced me now.
Ok - good point.
Only thing I can think of that might make it better for the long run, the average smuck tends to remember who made the shots not who they made them against - we had our Whites on - pretty generic - you'll know who got beat - most people won't.
So, are you willing to hold yourself to such a high standard? You do a great job - your website - during the year, and your focus on football recruiting is appreciated by many if not all of your subscribers. So what happens on national signing day for football? Is what you do throughout the year marginalized by how well you perform on that day? Are you to be judged by how well this website performs on that all important day? Servers down? How many years in a row? Yup, you team works their backside off, but sometimes you just can't get to the finish line like you wanted to.
You may not think this is a comparable situation. So be it. But how are you to be judged? One day? The whole year?
For me personally, I don't get that upset with the Rivals vs. Orangebloods problem on that critical day. My angst subsides. But what forms my lasting impression is how well you guys do over the course of the whole year, the whole season so to speak. Bottom line: I don't see you holding yourself to as high a standard as you hold Coach Smart. Good grief. He's been at it one year and you've been at it how long?
Man, it cracks me up how much that bothers some people. That means that those daily soccer threads literally must make some people fighting mad.
Doesn't make me mad, just giving you some shit. Hell I can learn anything on this site from news to soccer. It's all good. I even stopped for 30 seconds on an EPL game Saturday morning because of you. I'm not jumping in that pool yet though.Man, it cracks me up how much that bothers some people. That means that those daily soccer threads literally must make some people fighting mad.
