Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Xanax should sponsor this week's Big 12 Championship...)
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That's completely fair.
I would just say that Young was an upgrade over Montana, whatever that means. He was ****ing awesome.
Signed,
a guy that hated the 90s Niners.
Idk how you can say that.
Manning wasn't as talented as Rodgers, but he's probably the 2nd most talented on that list, and if you look at careers and franchise value then you have to put Peyton at 2 behind Tom. Rodgers has about half of Peyton's resume so far.
Seems like a lot of people on here forget how good Peyton was.
Aaron Rodgers can lick my butthole. He’s probably barely ahead of Ryan Leaf, but Ryan is going around taking to kids about staying off drugs, so at least he has some marginal value. And he’s the third best person on those dumb ass State Farm commercials, out of three. Matthews making a cameo is better than him too. Oh, and Gus, my tee ball coach, is better than him too.
IIRC, you're also a guy that has Emmitt #1 overall on your RBs list, so you get points for consistently applying the same standard across the board. It irritates me when people knock Emmitt but don't even mention that Young was tossing the ball to both Rice and Owens for 3 out of his 7 seasons as a starter, and had Rice in his prime the other 4 seasons.
I look at @Ketchum's and I'd say Manning was no better than the 3rd worst athlete in that group. I'd also say he probably threw the worst looking ball in that top 10, with an arm that does not rank in the top half. Now, was he a computer on the field? No doubt. Football IQ was off the charts. But in terms of physical talent, I'd put him easily towards the bottom of the top 10.
I look at @Ketchum's and I'd say Manning was no better than the 3rd worst athlete in that group. I'd also say he probably threw the worst looking ball in that top 10, with an arm that does not rank in the top half. Now, was he a computer on the field? No doubt. Football IQ was off the charts. But in terms of physical talent, I'd put him easily towards the bottom of the top 10.
Definitely not talking about athleticism, but more talent that pertains to playing the QB position.
His arm strength/accuracy was incredible and his mind was elite. Elway, Marino, and Rodgers are the only guys I'd say had better arm talent, but combine that with Peyton's understanding of the game/position and he's at the top.
It was and it just solidified my belief that "aggyl is a mental disease. I know a lot of Aggies I absolutely love as individuals, but when they slip into that aggy personality something happens to them.
Hook'em
Ketch, I am probably your greatest fan, not to mention being a fellow Knight, but I got to tell you that you are in need of some sort of reality therapy to help with this distorted view of Aaron Rogers.
I think QB's have to go like this:
1. Joe Montana
2. Tom Brady
3. Peyton Manning
4. Drew Brees
5.Roger Staubach
6. John Elway
7. Steve Young
8. Troy Aikman
9. Aaron Rodgers
10. Terry Bradshaw
As for Baker and Hue, it isn't exactly apple to apples. OU is a large step up from Texas Tech, and he walked on at both locations. He didn't get handed anything.
Any list of top 10 QB's that doesn't include John Freaking Elway is a bad list. I wouldn't put Aaron Rodgers in the top 5.
Naaaah. Montana won. And he won big. Multiple times. Rogers has won the same number of Super Bowls Bret Favre won. And Montana did it when QBs had to actually be football players and when defenders were allowed to defend. Rogers gets to wear a skirt and throw to guys who have barely been touched and who can run over the middle freely without fear of getting trucked.
Montana's career record is 117-48. Rogers is 97-52. I supposed Joe could come back and lose 5 more games to give Rogers a better argument...Joe has also won 7 more playoff games than Aaron, and they have both lost 7 games. Joe has 3 more Super Bowl victories. He also has 2 more Super Bowl MVPs. He also led two different franchises to Conference Championship games. Joe also revived a franchise that was 2-14 they year before he was drafted. The Packers were 13-3 the year before Roger's started.
Rogers resume is unlikely to get much better, and Joe's is never getting worse.
Says the guy that continues to hold some weird grudge against Murray from when he was a kid.
Joe Montana played on a dynasty with the greatest players and coaching in an era of football.
He played with Hall of Famers up and down the line-up.
Rodgers on those 49ers teams? are you kidding me?
All significantly successful teams end up with a ton of guys elected to the HOF. The fact is, Montana was more successful in a tougher, more physical, better played era of football. Teams then drilled and tackled all week, and were allowed to take that physicality to the field. Frankly, I don't think Rodgers would be nearly as successful getting his in the face and chest 7 times per game. I don't know that he'd be as successful throwing to guys who aren't running wide open. He does have a wonderful arm, but guys today are streaking across the middle with a 2 yard gap and no fear of being hit. Aside from Jerry Rice, I am not sure any of the players Montana played with on offense would have been HOF players without playing with he and Steve Young.
Obviously he is elite. That's not the issue. The issue is whether he is better than the best (imo) clutch player of all time, Joe Montana. By the way I also hated the 90's 49ers.
Seems to not be enough room on a list of 10 to include all deserving candidates. Hard to exclude Aikman, Elway, Bradshaw and Starr.
lol.
He won more Super Bowls and he was on the better team with better players and coaches, but Joe Montana simply isn't as good of a quarterback than Aaron Rodgers.
If you took Montana off the Niners and put Rodgers on, they win at least four Super Bowls.
If you take Rodgers off the Packers and put Montana on, they ain't winning any Super Bowls.
Seems to me you overweight statistics and underweight results of performance against peers. And it's probably easier to build impressive statistics in today's game than was formerly the case.
