NCAA yanks title games from North Carolina

[mm42]

If it is on the internet it must be true. This reminds me of a Trump retweet.
Pretty sure that redheads penis is long gone, if she was ever had one. If so, the ladies room would be appropriate. That tat dude would have been an ugly chic, but again....

 

[TexasHickey]

You do realize that, under the law, all Sarina and Buck would have to do is change their gender on their birth certificate and they would be able to use the bathroom they identify with?

 

[andrew86e]

If it is on the internet it must be true. This reminds me of a Trump retweet.
Pretty sure that redheads penis is long gone, if she was ever had one. If so, the ladies room would be appropriate. That tat dude would have been an ugly chic, but again....

it was on the internetz

 

[bubba2023]

Did a Nigerian prince send you this after you freed up his millions of dollars?

 

[PushupMan]

OK I'm sure you're right. Making a person who's lived their entire life as a girl, identifies as a girl, dresses and looks like a girl and who everybody prior to that thought was a girl pee in the boys bathroom doesn't do any harm. And thank goodness that dangerous predator was put in his place. Because Jesus.

Said girl has the power to make said discrimination a moot point by simply having the gender reassignment surgery. At this date and time, we do not yet have the ability to "Vulcan mind-meld" with other people in order to know what their true intentions are.

If you were born with male genitalia, but you identify as a girl, then have the surgery and actually BECOME a girl. Why is it up to the rest of us to empower a "persecuted minority" that already has the power, by their own actions, to live free of any persecution?

 

[mm42]

You do realize that, under the law, all Sarina and Buck would have to do is change their gender on their birth certificate and they would be able to use the bathroom they identify with?

Nope. Don't know the details of the law. Seems simple to me, you either have a penis or you don't. If you check yourself and are still confused, you have bigger worries than your crapper of choice.

 

[oldschoolcat]

Scholz,

The problem isn't the transgenders. There aren't enough of them out there to be a concern and could be handled as special needs situations. (which they ARE)

The problem is letting people do as they please on how they "identify". That is the Pandora's box you are opening just to serve a miniscule minority.

 

[Bottomsuppizza]

It discriminates against the transgender population. It hurts and takes dignity away from a powerless and vulnerable group. That's how. Let people pee how they identify. Doubt any of those NC Bahble thumpers would even recognize a transgender anyway.

Women and children are also a "vulnerable group"

 

[TexasHickey]

Nope. Don't know the details of the law. Seems simple to me, you either have a penis or you don't. If you check yourself and are still confused, you have bigger worries than your crapper of choice.

mm42,

I don't necessarily disagree with you. I was mainly pointing out that all poor "Sarina" and "Buck" would have to do it change their birth certificate to what they identify as. And as someone else pointed out, I'm guessing Sarina's weenie has long since gone the way of the Dodo.

 

[diadevic]

Everybody please look past the pee issue and look at the REAL issue.

The NCAA chose to punish an ENTIRE STATE's university systems for the laws passed by the STATE---- not the SCHOOLS!

Yet-- in Waco, there's not been one NCAA finger raised.

Wtf is wrong with you guys? Don't you see how ridiculous this is????????

Let's punish dozens of universities for policies they had nothing to do with---- but hey, rape all the chicks you want Baylor.........

Clob - that's 3 mentions of Baylor! It ain't so clean in Chapel Hill either - at least Briles didn't play Oakman and Uwachu after the rapes. UNC can't say the same thing. Can't wait for the OTL report.
http://time.com/4489864/unc-student-football-player-rape/

 

[bubba2023]

It ain't so clean at a lot of schools in terms of sexual assaults. The NCAA is just grandstanding like the rest of the nation. The fact that these university sexual assault scandals are back page fodder yet the gender bathroom crisis is front page news is a problem with our society not just the NCAA.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Not only is the law discrimination. It's not enforceable. Are police going to camp out at public bathrooms looking for folks thry think are transgender? Doesn't seem to be the best use of their time nor is it possible.

The supporters of the bill say that if we don't have restrictions you will have men dressing up as women going in to bathrooms and harassing women. Well there doesn't seem to be a lot of that going on, and people that are doing that aren't going to care that you made a law. North Carolina is trying to create a problem that doesn't exist, and in doing so have singled out a group of people. I mean if they don't have other problems to address maybe they can help another state with theirs. It would be a better use of their time.

 

[Scholz]

Women and children are also a "vulnerable group"

And nothing is happening to them in bathrooms. So your point falls flat.

There are more documented cases of sexual deviance in bathrooms from Republican lawmakers than from the entire US population of transgenders. Fact. It's a solution in search of a problem to justify bigotry.

 

[diadevic]

The NCAA is just grandstanding like the rest of the nation. The fact that these university sexual assault scandals are back page fodder yet the gender bathroom crisis is front page news is a problem with our society not just the NCAA.

Double like and best post on this thread. The NCAA can't govern itself, and yet it wants to be the civil rights leader in our country. I long ago lost interest in the NFL because of self centered ne'er do wells, and I fear the same thing will happen with college football - the NCAA has become a political PAC, moving beyond regulating student athletes/governing national championships etc. to now attempting to regulate society at large. Keep your political arguments on MSNBC and Fox News, and leave the sports page to sports!

 

[clob94]

I do find it slightly ironical that the NCAA has "mens" and "womens" sports, but in the same breath expects to not have men's and women's bathrooms. As I stated, as long as you don't pee on my shoe, I don't care what your plumbing looks like----- but hypocrisy is hypocrisy and I'm calling that out whenever I see it.

 

[topdecktiger]

Minding your own business and letting people go to the bathroom where they identify and feel most comfortable is a huge burden and time drain is it?

Well, here is your problem. Bathrooms are not separated by "identity." Identity is an abstract concept. Bathrooms are separated by physical characteristics. It's the same criteria for everyone. No one is being treated differently. What you are actually arguing for is a change in the criteria, and you have not demonstrated a legitimate reason for doing so.

By the way. The ACC has pulled all conference events from North Carolina. However, they still have the conference headquarters in Greensboro. Nothing convoluted about that at all.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I do find it slightly ironical that the NCAA has "mens" and "womens" sports, but in the same breath expects to not have men's and women's bathrooms. As I stated, as long as you don't pee on my shoe, I don't care what your plumbing looks like----- but hypocrisy is hypocrisy and I'm calling that out whenever I see it.

I don't think anyone is arguing there shouldn't be "men's and "women's" bathrooms. Just that for a minority group of folks it's not as cut and dry. Also making a law requiring folks to use a certain bathroom is rather pointless for a number of reasons.

 

[topdecktiger]

I don't think anyone is arguing there shouldn't be "men's and "women's" bathrooms. Just that for a minority group of folks it's not as cut and dry. Also making a law requiring folks to use a certain bathroom is rather pointless for a number of reasons.

Actually, there is a growing number of people advocating for unisex bathrooms, like they have in Europe.

 

[LonghornSoldier]

wow.... this thread got intense fast - but just to clarify a few things ( and add gasoline to the fire) - the reason this bill got so much play was bc religious ntjobs and chickenshit politicians turned this into an issue of dangerous people in bathrooms with your children instead of leaving it at what it was.... In case some of yall went brain dead - back in the days a lot of stores ONLY had one bathroom.... and it had either just a toilet OR a toilet AND a urinal - so basically unisex... yet nobody batted an eye at it then..... fast forward to today, and personal identity is the newest rage and it scares people to deal withthings that used to be kept in secret behind closed doors.... the misconceptions and arguments in regard to this never truly stayed in the issue and became about FEAR and ignorance.

Who the fvck cares who uses what bathroom? Hell I know damn near EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU would go use the other genders bathroom if you TRULY had to go and had no other recourse.... does that mean you are a pervert and a danger to the people in the bathroom? Probably not, but that isnt how it might be seen by others.... but just bc you chose not to shit in your pants you may be labeled as a pervert or worse....

Too many times empty fears and ignorance are used to rile up the population, and this is no different. It is sad that stuff like this is even an issue at all... I know that every single one of you here were, at some point in life, taken into the womens bathroom in stores to use it by your mothers bc they wanted to be able to keep an eye on you - there is that old empty fear rearing its head back then.... Hell I still see that stuff today...

Its sad that we have to question the morals and integrity of every other person on this planet every second of every day bc we have allowed those running the show to breed fear and misinformation to a point it tears our society at the seams... but then again thats good for politics.

Like my opinion on this or not - its the truth. People today are worried about the wrong stuff while letting the major crap slip by unnoticed in the background while we bicker about standing for the national anthem, or who is peeing where or what the Kardashians are messing up, etc etc....Is anyone else tired of all this bullshit, or is it just me?

 

[bubba2023]

And nothing is happening to them in bathrooms. So your point falls flat.

There are more documented cases of sexual deviance in bathrooms from Republican lawmakers than from the entire US population of transgenders. Fact. It's a solution in search of a problem to justify bigotry.

Aren't hidden bathroom cameras routinely found in women's bathrooms across the country?

 

[swVAHorn]

I don't care what clothes people choose to wear, it's weird to me but who cares. As far as I am concerned women and young children can go into whatever restroom makes them happy. I just don't want a grown ass man I don't know alone in the bathroom with my little girl. He probably is just a tranny and not a child molester, but probably is not good enough. Not a religious thing at all to me, it is a safety thing. I am fine with a man marrying a man, a man marrying a women who thinks she is a man, or a man marrying 3 women & 2 men. Just don't be alone with little girls, especially where you shouldn't be. It is an excellent way for someone to get hurt or worse. Just stupid.

Why would you have a little girl without supervision in any bathroom by themselves? My children sure weren't. And just an FYI bad people don't have to be trans or gay.

 

[swVAHorn]

This attitude is exactly why our founding fathers set up the Supreme Court system and charged it with the duty of protecting the rights of the minority from the will of the majority.

BINGO.

 

[swVAHorn]

Haha. That's funny. This is just another instance of the religious Republicans rebranding their discrimination under the guise of protection. It's their usual politics of fear and hate. It's another solution in search of a problem. Let's protect young girls against supposed bathroom danger (even though there or literally more documented cases of sexual misconduct by Republican lawmakers than total transgender people) because we don't like those people. Let's make everyone get an ID to vote to solve that terrible supposed fraud (even though there's no proof of it still) because that will keep the poors and minorities from voting.

What, we're just protecting young girls and the sanctity of the vote.

I'm voting for a dem this time and I am a Christian. Not a nut job at all. It is not a zero sum. These broad strokes are wrong.

 

[topdecktiger]

wow.... this thread got intense fast - but just to clarify a few things ( and add gasoline to the fire) - the reason this bill got so much play was bc religious ntjobs and chickenshit politicians turned this into an issue of dangerous people in bathrooms with your children instead of leaving it at what it was.... In case some of yall went brain dead - back in the days a lot of stores ONLY had one bathroom.... and it had either just a toilet OR a toilet AND a urinal - so basically unisex... yet nobody batted an eye at it then..... fast forward to today, and personal identity is the newest rage and it scares people to deal withthings that used to be kept in secret behind closed doors.... the misconceptions and arguments in regard to this never truly stayed in the issue and became about FEAR and ignorance.

Who the fvck cares who uses what bathroom? Hell I know damn near EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU would go use the other genders bathroom if you TRULY had to go and had no other recourse.... does that mean you are a pervert and a danger to the people in the bathroom? Probably not, but that isnt how it might be seen by others.... but just bc you chose not to shit in your pants you may be labeled as a pervert or worse....

Too many times empty fears and ignorance are used to rile up the population, and this is no different. It is sad that stuff like this is even an issue at all... I know that every single one of you here were, at some point in life, taken into the womens bathroom in stores to use it by your mothers bc they wanted to be able to keep an eye on you - there is that old empty fear rearing its head back then.... Hell I still see that stuff today...

Its sad that we have to question the morals and integrity of every other person on this planet every second of every day bc we have allowed those running the show to breed fear and misinformation to a point it tears our society at the seams... but then again thats good for politics.

Like my opinion on this or not - its the truth. People today are worried about the wrong stuff while letting the major crap slip by unnoticed in the background while we bicker about standing for the national anthem, or who is peeing where or what the Kardashians are messing up, etc etc....Is anyone else tired of all this bullshit, or is it just me?

Actually, no, what you said is not accurate. In particular:

back in the days a lot of stores ONLY had one bathroom.... and it had either just a toilet OR a toilet AND a urinal - so basically unisex... yet nobody batted an eye at it then..... fast forward to today, and personal identity is the newest rage

Here's the thing. It's not Christians or conservatives who are all about personal identity. It is liberals and transgenders who are suddenly big on this. If it's no big deal who uses which bathroom, then why not just leave it the way it is? If an establishment has separate men's and women's bathrooms, let them do that. If an establishment just has unisex bathrooms, let them do that. Christians and conservatives aren't complaining about that. What Christians and conservatives are complaining about is that establishments are being forced to change their policies regarding bathrooms. That's the key thing here. The government has picked a side, and is forcing the other side to go along with it. If you want to argue that conservatives in North Carolina are doing the same thing, that's fine. In that case, then the solution is for the government not to force either side, and just let individual establishments set their own policies.

 

[mm42]

Why would you have a little girl without supervision in any bathroom by themselves? My children sure weren't. And just an FYI bad people don't have to be trans or gay.

Sure, when they are really young you just bring them into the men's room. But at some point they are too old for that, but still too young to be alone with some random guy. I stand by the ladies room door, sure mall security has assumed I am a pervert. If you have raised daughters I can not believe you have not been in this spot, Mom isn't always there.
All parents aren't that great. Society needs to protect them as much as possible.

 

[clob94]

I know the other day I'm at my gym--- nice place-- showers, steam room, hot tub-- so I finish working out and grab my towel and head to the shower. I get done, walk out and go to get dressed. As I'm toweling off my junk, around the corner walks a 5-6 year old LITTLE GIRL. Now I'm the only person on this row of lockers---- and here's this child just staring at me while I'm scrambling to cover my junk with my towel. I hear a man's voice say "Kaylee (or kaitley or whatever) come back here!".

Think I felt awkward? Think I felt weird? Think I felt like, through no fault of my own, that if some random person took a photo of this moment that I wouldn't look like a total fvcking creeper? That's the kind of sh!t I want to avoid. Nobody wins in that situation. I wanted to grab her dad by the nape of his neck and cuss him to filth but honestly, I was still a little taken aback by the whole thing.

 

[Belldozer1]

Actually, no, what you said is not accurate. In particular:

back in the days a lot of stores ONLY had one bathroom.... and it had either just a toilet OR a toilet AND a urinal - so basically unisex... yet nobody batted an eye at it then..... fast forward to today, and personal identity is the newest rage

Here's the thing. It's not Christians or conservatives who are all about personal identity. It is liberals and transgenders who are suddenly big on this. If it's no big deal who uses which bathroom, then why not just leave it the way it is? If an establishment has separate men's and women's bathrooms, let them do that. If an establishment just has unisex bathrooms, let them do that. Christians and conservatives aren't complaining about that. What Christians and conservatives are complaining about is that establishments are being forced to change their policies regarding bathrooms. That's the key thing here. The government has picked a side, and is forcing the other side to go along with it. If you want to argue that conservatives in North Carolina are doing the same thing, that's fine. In that case, then the solution is for the government not to force either side, and just let individual establishments set their own policies.

Agree and I have no problem with unisex bathroom as long as it's a singular one stall bathroom with a door, that in my opinion eliminates the possibility of some pervert identifying as a woman walking into a multi stall bathroom and doing and seeing things they shouldn't. I am speaking as someone with young daughters.

 

[Drtxhorn]

Agree and I have no problem with unisex bathroom as long as it's a singular one stall bathroom with a door, that in my opinion eliminates the possibility of some pervert identifying as a woman walking into a multi stall bathroom and doing and seeing things they shouldn't. I am speaking as someone with young daughters.

Agree 100%. This entire issue can be easily resolved but the nut jobs on the left don't want to even discuss a perfectly rational solution. A single unisex private bath that anyone can use just makes too much sense.

 

[LonghornSoldier]

Actually, no, what you said is not accurate. In particular:

back in the days a lot of stores ONLY had one bathroom.... and it had either just a toilet OR a toilet AND a urinal - so basically unisex... yet nobody batted an eye at it then..... fast forward to today, and personal identity is the newest rage

Here's the thing. It's not Christians or conservatives who are all about personal identity. It is liberals and transgenders who are suddenly big on this. If it's no big deal who uses which bathroom, then why not just leave it the way it is? If an establishment has separate men's and women's bathrooms, let them do that. If an establishment just has unisex bathrooms, let them do that. Christians and conservatives aren't complaining about that. What Christians and conservatives are complaining about is that establishments are being forced to change their policies regarding bathrooms. That's the key thing here. The government has picked a side, and is forcing the other side to go along with it. If you want to argue that conservatives in North Carolina are doing the same thing, that's fine. In that case, then the solution is for the government not to force either side, and just let individual establishments set their own policies.

You mean the same Christian and conservatives that force their religious bullshit on to the public? The same groups that demand thet "God" be put back in the white house... or that monuments etc need to come down ro go back up? I mean, if you are talking about different Christians and conservatives being forced to do something outside of the ones that do it to everyone else please correct me.... seems to me the goverment is ALWAYS picking sides... the sides that have the oudest voices to go with the deepest pockets....

at best this is ignorance morphing in to fear being masked as something different so we cant call those offended biggots etc as they hide behind their religious beliefs.... The talk abou this hasnt been about being forced to change anything.. it has been a campaign built with fear, misinformation and a load of bullshit perpetuated by the very people you say are offended and being forced in to something. Equal rights are equal rights - and for soem reason this country has gone full retard with this concept and dont think everyone should be afforded the same rights.... unless they conform...

See it with CK in the NFL, see it with the LGBT groups, see it with the "Lives Matter" groups, etc etc etc.. everyone wants their rights to be recognized even if someone elses toes get stepped on.... then when someone actually DOES something to use or express those rights some special interest group or whatever comes along and puts the evil spin on things to stir up shit and create drama..... meanwhile politicians are violating the public analy while we get caught up in who uses what bathroom etc....

Here is where you see what I am talking about in action - you and I do not agree on this, but I wont tell you that you are wrong to feel the way you do.. and it doesnt scare or offend me that you feel differently... I also wont start a smear campaign to make your position look bad etc.... I voiced my part, you did the same... we disagree. No drama, no crap... and the worl dkeeps turning as we RESPECT each other.... see where I am going with this man?

I hope you dont take this as an attack by me against you or your ideas, but I feel passionately about individual rights for ALL people who are legal citizens of this country, and a lot of what is going on today is all special interest bs pushed by fearmongers and idiots elected to offices around the country,

 

[LonghornSoldier]

Agree and I have no problem with unisex bathroom as long as it's a singular one stall bathroom with a door, that in my opinion eliminates the possibility of some pervert identifying as a woman walking into a multi stall bathroom and doing and seeing things they shouldn't. I am speaking as someone with young daughters.

Where is the fear for the young boys at? Or since when did female perverts cease to exist? Why does it have to be a member of the opposite sex in the RR for you to fear things like this?

and fwiw - if a member of the opposite sex wanted to sneak in to the other RR, it wouldnt be that hard to do with or without the laws in place.... think about it.... never once did you consider any of this to the magitude you do now until someone used scare tactics to give you that push......

 

[mm42]

Or since when did female perverts cease to exist? Why does it have to be a member of the opposite sex in the RR for you to fear things like this?

They vast majority of molesters are men. 24 year old lady teachers screwing 17 year old boys doesn't count. It is not the same thing.

Boys are at risk, no doubt. But why give pervs that prefer girls easy access.

 

[Belldozer1]

Where is the fear for the young boys at? Or since when did female perverts cease to exist? Why does it have to be a member of the opposite sex in the RR for you to fear things like this?

and fwiw - if a member of the opposite sex wanted to sneak in to the other RR, it wouldnt be that hard to do with or without the laws in place.... think about it.... never once did you consider any of this to the magitude you do now until someone used scare tactics to give you that push......

LS I can only control so much. It's a given there are female perverts but if your child is using a public womens restroom then obviously there will be other women there. Now I also rely on good human nature to help insure people do the right thing. Now a year ago I can be relatively sure that there will not be any dudes hanging out in the womens restroom and if there were authorities would be called and he'd be dealt with. Now, if some dude is in the restroom, identifying as some woman, I have a feeling nobody is going to say a damn word for fear of prosecution. It's not right. I mean what's wrong with using common sense when it comes to what bathroom you should use or go back to singular unisex bathrooms as I suggested. I don't know if you have young daughters or not but I do and its a weird problem to have to consider for a dad. I'm curious if Target is willing to allow me to accompany my daughters into their womens restroom even though I don't identify as a woman.

 

[LonghornSoldier]

Well whether we agree or not, I have spoken my peace... I can see oth sides and I still feel fear of what MAY happen is getting to much play in place of aything else that may be relevant.

If you count on common sense and decency to help when it comes to oddities in the public restrooms, then it would stand to reason it doesnt matter if a transgendered person uses a different RR... but in all reality it doesnt matter to me.... either they can or cant use the bathroom they choose.. not my call.. but denying them across the board based off of what can only be assumed to be a very small percentage of a possibility something will happen is a knee jerk reaction at best.

K, im dont for the night. If i offended anyone I truly apologize, wasnt trying to. Just trying to make ppl think. Have a great night guys and I will catch you tomorrow. oh and ou still sucks and HOOK EM HORNS! lol

 

[ryan_sublett]

Actually, there is a growing number of people advocating for unisex bathrooms, like they have in Europe.

Well yeah and there are places that have them here. Here the places that have them that ive seen are single person bathrooms which ok fine who cares

 

[clob94]

Baylor.......

I started this thread because of Baylor......and the NCAA ........

Smfh