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Scholz where does gun control end? If you limit magazine size, what next? Take away AR15 and the next radical trying to appease Allah goes off with a couple glocks. Just say where it ends? At some point you have to look at the individuals and the ideology behind them. The gun isn't pulling its own trigger, amirite?

That's an impossible question. New rule and regulations are added to every facet of life because he world is changing and will always be changing. The founding fathers didn't know where anything stopped either, that's why we have created a shit ton of newlaws since we have became a nation.
 
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How does one get these type of guns? Serious question.

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You have to have a class 3 license. OR, you create what's called a "weapons trust". That allows you to purchase a firearm like this, but you don't technically 'own' it-- the trust owns it. And you can never sell the weapon, the trust keeps ownership until you die. But you've git to get "stamps" for some of these weapons and that requires lots of background checks to be done.


OR, just go to Mexico with 5 grand. Our DOJ sent what, 15,000 machine guns down there to the cartels in a botched sting operation called "Fast and Furious". No kidding, you can really buy that sh!t in Mexico bro. Thanks Eric Holder.
 
That's an impossible question. New rule and regulations are added to every facet of life because he world is changing and will always be changing.
Well one things is for sure. Gun control laws will continue to be more restrictive. The laws restricting guns that are in place right now will never be reversed or lifted. It's headed towards total gun control.
 
Which ones should be reversed? What is total gun control, complete ban? Maybe, if that what society wants, but not anytime soon though. Your great great great grandchildren may not be able to buy a gun, but nobody right now can argue if that's a good or bad thing.
 
The 18th amendment was passed and repealed, so we do have capability to reverse course if things get out of control. It's not as if we are stuck on any particular course of action if it's shown to have been a mistake. If enough people in this country think it is a good idea to let civilians own bazookas then civilians would own bazookas. That's democracy 101.
 
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Republicans won't even allow common sense stuff because they're owned fully by the NRA. 85-90% of all Americans want expanded background checks and people on the no fly list to be banned. No brainer, easy rules. Even those simple things corrupt Republicans won't allow. They have blood on their hands and they are not patriotic. They are bought. They ignore what Americans want.
 
I don't have a problem closing gun show loop holes but to not address the fanatics and gun control issues equally is bs. With this current admin., it's not the radical pulling the trigger, it's the gun. Dumb really.
 
This thread seems to have gone into the weeds with all this talk about gun control. Just like the dems and the news want. I continue to believe the real stories are the FBI's inaction and the incredible lack of action by the Orlando PD. 3 hours to decide to attack? Were they chicken or stupid? Or both? Because I can't see any other possibilities.In both cases, the armed citizen seems the only alternative.
 
I don't have a problem closing gun show loop holes but to not address the fanatics and gun control issues equally is bs. With this current admin., it's not the radical pulling the trigger, it's the gun. Dumb really.

What is exactly the "fanatic" in this case? Cause they are mostly our neighbors.
 
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This thread seems to have gone into the weeds with all this talk about gun control. Just like the dems and the news want. I continue to believe the real stories are the FBI's inaction and the incredible lack of action by the Orlando PD. 3 hours to decide to attack? Were they chicken or stupid? Or both? Because I can't see any other possibilities.In both cases, the armed citizen seems the only alternative.

Dude, do you not see the hypocrisy of your comment? "This thread went into the weeds on gun control. Just like the dems want... ...the armed citizen seems the only alternative"
 
And THAT elcapitan is my argument in the 2nd ammendment--"a well regulated". We are well regulated. I'd love to own a bazooka! But I digress, it would just be for the "cool" factor. But, because we are well regulated, I don't get to own one.
American gun owners (AGOs) are neither a militia nor are they well-regulated. Is anything in the USA well-regulated, since Reagan and Clinton?! Not much, besides 9/11-related regulations.

AGOs are individuals, not a militia, or even militias. They aren't well-regulated at all; they own as many guns and ammo as they wish (and always more and more whenever this topic is even debated).

In terms of discipline and order, there is very little. We hope against hope that AGOs keep their guns & ammo locked up when not in use, 100% consistently and fully. They don't. We pray the weapons don't fall into the hands of anyone suicidal, homicidal, careless or ignorantly curious (such as a toddler). They do. We hope AGOs don't lose control of their faculties, due to drugs or alcohol, or neighbor/ex-wife-fueled rage, or traumatic brain injury. They do. All these hopes are in vain.

Our society just accepts the costs of that, in terms of innocent lives lost. The incredibly vague, mysterious Second Amendment is the justification, as if it came from the Bible. "And then God said, 'Go forth, multiply, make guns and use them, of all sorts!'"

There's a red line somewhere. We can't all have personal nukes. Somewhere, there's a line--albeit a fuzzy one--of weapons that cause too much damage. These weapons are OK for individuals, and those are OK for the military. There's even a third category of weapons, that even militaries should never use.

So, all the arguments about the weapons being out there, and the criminals could have them, and we want the good guys (notice how simplistic that argument is; it assumes we're all bad guys and good ones)... All those arguments break down when you confront the real likelihood and statistics that show what's actually happening, and the fact that the terrorists could eventually obtain a tactical nuke, and far more feasibly chemical and biological weapons. There must be a line, somewhere. It's just the issue of drawing it, and if necessary, destroying and confiscating weapons & ammo that are beyond it.

(Noise of stampeding AGOs going out to buy tons of questionable weapons, many of which are well beyond the red line.)(Noise of gunfire, of innocents killed.)
 
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Although gun ownership is at an all time high, the murder rate is at a 52 year low. I believe that if we legalized marijuana, the rate could go much lower.
 
Although gun ownership is at an all time high, the murder rate is at a 52 year low. I believe that if we legalized marijuana, the rate could go much lower.
A. That's false. Gun ownership is declining, since a peak in 1977.

B. Besides, other factors connect with the murder rate. For example, drops in crime correlate closely with the increased usage and accessibility of violent video games. Males playing such games are staying off the streets, essentially. It's an outlet for their aggression, perhaps.

C. If that's not enough, it's cherry picking. Murder is far from the only measure of innocent lives lost.
 
A. That's false. Gun ownership is declining, since a peak in 1977.

B. Besides, other factors connect with the murder rate. For example, drops in crime correlate closely with the increased usage and accessibility of violent video games. Males playing such games are staying off the streets, essentially. It's an outlet for their aggression, perhaps.

C. If that's not enough, it's cherry picking. Murder is far from the only measure of innocent lives lost.

Have you not paid attention to the rhetoric? Don't you know today is the worst time in our nation since our savior Ronald Reagan was in office?
 
Once in the restroom, Mateen called 911 and made statements pledging allegiance to the Islamic State, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said Monday.

That's when the shooting stopped and hostage negotiators began talking with him, the chief said.

'We had a team of crisis negotiators that talked to the suspect, trying to get as much information as possible, what we could do to help resolve the situation... He wasn't asking a whole lot, and we were doing most of the asking,' Mina said.

But Mateen soon began talking about explosives and bombs, leading Mina to decide about 5am to detonate an explosive on an exterior wall to prevent potentially greater loss of life.
This radical jihadist was there to terrorize and kill. He was incensed that there were gay people not adhering to his barbaric sharia law. He didn't want anything in return other than to kill in the name of Allah. He wa not gay either as the media tried to pathetically convince everyone. No he hated gays just like all the radicals do as well as their mistreatment of women in every conceivable way. Sickening how some can be bought by countries that support these radical Islam jihadi's and them claim to be 'for the people'. Sick
 
Everybody believes in gun control. ie nobody should own a nuclear weapon. It is just where to draw the line. The background checks don't bother me...registering them would not bother me either. The Second Amendment is part of the fabric of the Greatest Nation on Earth. I love my Country and I will obey its laws. Don't punish those of us who do not break the law to get the small percentage that do.
 
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Have you not paid attention to the rhetoric? Don't you know today is the worst time in our nation since our savior Ronald Reagan was in office?
I am tired of hearing how the United States is like a third world country and in terrible shape. I keep hearing how it is about to fall. Sick of hearing it. The U.S. is Great RIGHT NOW!!!.
 
This radical jihadist was there to terrorize and kill. He was incensed that there were gay people not adhering to his barbaric sharia law. He didn't want anything in return other than to kill in the name of Allah. He wa not gay either as the media tried to pathetically convince everyone. No he hated gays just like all the radicals do as well as their mistreatment of women in every conceivable way. Sickening how some can be bought by countries that support these radical Islam jihadi's and them claim to be 'for the people'. Sick
How do you know he was not gay? You have gaydar?
 
How do you know he was not gay? You have gaydar?
Oh I don't know, being married to a woman is a fairly good indicator especially considering he's a disciple of a religion that despises gays and think they should be killed. Any other questions that have you stumped that's not obvious to the casual observer?
 
Funny how every time a mentally ill person uses a weapon to kill people.....we go on month long debates about the controlling the weapons and grandstanding for limits on the freedoms of law abiding citizens.

Ignoring the elephant in the room.
 
Gaydar, swvahorn made me laugh.

Here's how I look at------- I think we would ALL agree that that the whole muslim immigration thing is being yanked into two camps... the "hell no, this could lead to lots of problems" camp, and the "these people are victims and they need our help" camp. Does that sound fair enough to everyone so far?

OK.

The one side of the argument is "what if bad guys pretend to be refugees and sneak in with the refugees and do bad things? You know, a few bad apples ruin the bunch...". I think we can all agree that this is definitely a possibility. There is a 100% chance this COULD happen. Not that it WILL, that it could. Sooooo one side of the argument says "since there's a few bad apples, we have to punish the lot of them", and I don't fully agree with that philosophy. I don't agree that an entire culture should be punished because there's a small % of them that are a$$hats or "bad". You guys with me so far?


So it's fair for me, as an American, to realize that while there's a chance that one of this group "could" end up abusing the privilege that it is to be in OUR country, it's a risk that I'm willing to take--------- IF----------you take everything I just said, and apply it NOT only to refugees, but legal gun owners..........


I don't feel as though I should be punished (or potentially punished, or threatened with possible punishment or restrictive actions at some point) because a few a$$hats ruined my apple bunch. Get me? Just like most Muslims are law abiding people that don't decapitate people for being a jew, or gay, or an infidel- most gun owners are law abiding citizens that would never hurt a soul, unprovoked of course.

Anybody think I'm being unfair?
 
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Oh I don't know, being married to a woman is a fairly good indicator especially considering he's a disciple of a religion that despises gays and think they should be killed. Any other questions that have you stumped that's not obvious to the casual observer?

Man, have I got news for you. Ever heard of a beard?
 
Oh I don't know, being married to a woman is a fairly good indicator especially considering he's a disciple of a religion that despises gays and think they should be killed. Any other questions that have you stumped that's not obvious to the casual observer?
You are an idiot of a huge magnitude. Many gays were and are married to the other sex. And if you think his religion is the only one against gays then you are an even bigger idiot than most of us already know.
 
Gaydar, swvahorn made me laugh.

Here's how I look at------- I think we would ALL agree that that the whole muslim immigration thing is being yanked into two camps... the "hell no, this could lead to lots of problems" camp, and the "these people are victims and they need our help" camp. Does that sound fair enough to everyone so far?

OK.

The one side of the argument is "what if bad guys pretend to be refugees and sneak in with the refugees and do bad things? You know, a few bad apples ruin the bunch...". I think we can all agree that this is definitely a possibility. There is a 100% chance this COULD happen. Not that it WILL, that it could. Sooooo one side of the argument says "since there's a few bad apples, we have to punish the lot of them", and I don't fully agree with that philosophy. I don't agree that an entire culture should be punished because there's a small % of them that are a$$hats or "bad". You guys with me so far?


So it's fair for me, as an American, to realize that while there's a chance that one of this group "could" end up abusing the privilege that it is to be in OUR country, it's a risk that I'm willing to take--------- IF----------you take everything I just said, and apply it NOT only to refugees, but legal gun owners..........


I don't feel as though I should be punished (or potentially punished, or threatened with possible punishment or restrictive actions at some point) because a few a$$hats ruined my apple bunch. Get me? Just like most Muslims are law abiding people that don't decapitate people for being a jew, or gay, or an infidel- most gun owners are law abiding citizens that would never hurt a soul, unprovoked of course.

Anybody think I'm being unfair?

That's a fair point. I can understand the point of view and definitely sympathize. But I think the point would be WHERE that line is drawn.

Will we accept all immigrants without any type of background check or processing? Hopefully not.

Will we take away all weapons from people so that they cannot protect their home? Hopefully not.

The line is in between. The argument is where the line is.
 
Swvahorn is right. There's a huge % of gay men with wives and kids---- especially in the south.
 
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Gaydar, swvahorn made me laugh.

Here's how I look at------- I think we would ALL agree that that the whole muslim immigration thing is being yanked into two camps... the "hell no, this could lead to lots of problems" camp, and the "these people are victims and they need our help" camp. Does that sound fair enough to everyone so far?

OK.

The one side of the argument is "what if bad guys pretend to be refugees and sneak in with the refugees and do bad things? You know, a few bad apples ruin the bunch...". I think we can all agree that this is definitely a possibility. There is a 100% chance this COULD happen. Not that it WILL, that it could. Sooooo one side of the argument says "since there's a few bad apples, we have to punish the lot of them", and I don't fully agree with that philosophy. I don't agree that an entire culture should be punished because there's a small % of them that are a$$hats or "bad". You guys with me so far?


So it's fair for me, as an American, to realize that while there's a chance that one of this group "could" end up abusing the privilege that it is to be in OUR country, it's a risk that I'm willing to take--------- IF----------you take everything I just said, and apply it NOT only to refugees, but legal gun owners..........


I don't feel as though I should be punished (or potentially punished, or threatened with possible punishment or restrictive actions at some point) because a few a$$hats ruined my apple bunch. Get me? Just like most Muslims are law abiding people that don't decapitate people for being a jew, or gay, or an infidel- most gun owners are law abiding citizens that would never hurt a soul, unprovoked of course.

Anybody think I'm being unfair?
That's a fair point. I can understand the point of view and definitely sympathize. But I think the point would be WHERE that line is drawn.

Will we accept all immigrants without any type of background check or processing? Hopefully not.

Will we take away all weapons from people so that they cannot protect their home? Hopefully not.

The line is in between. The argument is where the line is.
I think both of you are making great points and if we could get everyone in our country to listen to each other a lot more would get done.
 
That's a fair point. I can understand the point of view and definitely sympathize. But I think the point would be WHERE that line is drawn.

Will we accept all immigrants without any type of background check or processing? Hopefully not.

Will we take away all weapons from people so that they cannot protect their home? Hopefully not.

The line is in between. The argument is where the line is.
Agreed. I think your gun is your responsibility. Period. I think it's an extension of YOU. If it is stolen, you are responsible for alerting the authorities immediately and reporting the serial number, make, model etc. If you're an irresponsible gun owner and your kid takes your gun and does something bad, we punish you- severely. We have hunter safety courses, I think gun ownership courses should be applied. If you can go to your local sheriff's shooting range and show them you know how to operate your weapon safely and accurately, you get a gold star on your forehead.
 
I think both of you are making great points and if we could get everyone in our country to listen to each other a lot more would get done.
It's a helluva lot easier for two people to sit down and get sh!t done. Unfortunately, we have 750, or whatever it is, in washington.
 
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OAN..(best news network in the business) had an interview with a guy that claimed to be the shooters lover for 2 months. Many,many witnesses from the club have said the shooter was there several times a week for over 6 months.....thats a lot of recon...(in the name of Allah of course)
 
OAN..(best news network in the business) had an interview with a guy that claimed to be the shooters lover for 2 months. Many,many witnesses from the club have said the shooter was there several times a week for over 6 months.....thats a lot of recon...(in the name of Allah of course)
Link?
 
There were 372 mass shootings in this country last year (4 or more people being shot). That's more than 1 a day. But yay guns. Got it.
 
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