OT: Orlando police

[Belldozer1]

You are an idiot of a huge magnitude. Many gays were and are married to the other sex. And if you think his religion is the only one against gays then you are an even bigger idiot than most of us already know.

So you're saying he's got the confuse kind of like Bruce Jenner? Ah I see. The bottom line is this radical Islamic piece of trash was casing Th gay nightclub by reports I've read not partaking in the festivities being offered per se. And you see swvahorn, you are correct about this not being the only religion against gays and I certainly didn't say it was BUT how many others promote killing gays in the name of Allah?? The answer is none swvahorn. You're the typical sheeple the left wing media covets. You'll believe any rhetoric they throw at you.

 

[Scholz]

You're right. The Christian ministers in the news this week cheering the dead Orlando gays weren't doing it in the name of Allah.

 

[Belldozer1]

There were 372 mass shootings in this country last year (4 or more people being shot). That's more than 1 a day. But yay guns. Got it.

Yes the guns did it!!! Now Scholz, how many car accidents were there? Yay cars?

 

[Belldozer1]

You're right. The Christian ministers in the news this week cheering the dead Orlando gays weren't doing it in the name of Allah.

I don't think you'll find anyone believing what the the bible says supporting his rhetoric either,I certainly don't. He's an idiot

 

[Belldozer1]

I think both of you are making great points and if we could get everyone in our country to listen to each other a lot more would get done.

Totally agree and that's why most believe Trump gives the best opportunity to reach out and bring both sides together and agree on what's best for the country. These executive orders are out of control.

 

[Scholz]

Point is, more people in this country commit mass shootings than Muslims. Far more. Even, gasp, white Christians.

I would also point out Republicans are the ones fighting for the rights of known terrorists to be able to buy as many military style guns as they want.

 

[Scholz]

I don't think you'll find anyone believing what the the bible says supporting his rhetoric either,I certainly don't. He's an idiot

So are the people who think 100K ISIS members speak for all 1.6 billion Muslims. The KKK and Westboro Baptists represent Christians just as much.

 

[clob94]

So are the people who think 100K ISIS members speak for all 1.6 billion Muslims. The KKK and Westboro Baptists represent Christians just as much.

But Scholz, I think that goes back to my "a few bad apples" post. Would you not agree?

 

[Scholz]

Totally agree and that's why most believe Trump gives the best opportunity to reach out and bring both sides together and agree on what's best for the country.

And you call others sheeple. That's rich. Trump divides people for his own personal gain, rube.

 

[Scholz]

But Scholz, I think that goes back to my "a few bad apples" post. Would you not agree?

No. Refugees are not the problem. That's literally the hardest way to enter the country.

 

[Belldozer1]

Point is, more people in this country commit mass shootings than Muslims. Far more. Even, gasp, white Christians.

I would also point out Republicans are the ones fighting for the rights of known terrorists to be able to buy as many military style guns as they want.

I would agree but you are seeing a major shift in the Muslim jihadi hatred and acting out against countries around the world.

 

[Belldozer1]

So are the people who think 100K ISIS members speak for all 1.6 billion Muslims. The KKK and Westboro Baptists represent Christians just as much.

Westbrook and kkk are hate mongers plain and simple. They may claim to be Christian but the Christian church as a whole doesn't claim them nor should they. I'm appalled at the actions of both. The bs Westboro has pulled at dead soldiers funerals is mind blowing.

 

[RoboCocks21]

Hi I'm Robo! In before lock!

 

[Belldozer1]

And you call others sheeple. That's rich. Trump divides people for his own personal gain, rube.

Scholz perhaps but we have an issue of the lesser of 2 evils going on with this election

 

[Scholz]

hate mongers...They may claim to be Christian but the Christian church as a whole doesn't claim them nor should they.

Now read this out loud and replace Christian with Muslim.

 

[Belldozer1]

Now read this out loud and replace Christian with Muslim.

Scholz I'm referring to radicals. I don't hear to many Christian groups threatening to blow up a whole country and wave their flag above that Capitol

 

[Scholz]

Sure you do. It's called the American South. Right wing extremists are a far greater threat to our national security than Muslims. And they love their guns.

 

[Scholz]

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/...ger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html

 

[swVAHorn]

Totally agree and that's why most believe Trump gives the best opportunity to reach out and bring both sides together and agree on what's best for the country. These executive orders are out of control.

Trump gets along with other people?? Hahahaha. The same trump who is for killing families of terrorists, carpet bombing, for and against abortion, for and against raising taxes on the wealthy, for and against raising min wage? I'm not a Democrat and I would fight for issues on both sides of the aisle but I can't vote for a racist bigot like Trump. I love my country too much for that. No Clinton is not perfect but beside Trump she is head and shoulders better for my country. Oh and for guns in bars and then against them. Trump doesn't have a policy that I can agree with. You would vote republican no matter what and you are the sheep. Not me. You punk.

 

[swVAHorn]

Sure you do. It's called the American South. Right wing extremists are a far greater threat to our national security than Muslims. And they love their guns.

If you listen to radio you would think the US is barely even a country and we are being crushed every day by our oppressive government. I am so tired of hearing about how bad everything is. It's pretty Damn good as far as I can tell.

 

[swVAHorn]

Scholz I'm referring to radicals. I don't hear to many Christian groups threatening to blow up a whole country and wave their flag above that Capitol

Right wingers are always talking about killing an entire religion with 1.4 billion people. You are a typical right wing party above country lover. If you don't like the message then blame the people who report it. Call everything you disagree with a lie until you believe it your damn self. You don't care about the truth or what is best for the country. You want the republican to win because by God they are your team.

 

[Belldozer1]

Trump gets along with other people?? Hahahaha. The same trump who is for killing families of terrorists, carpet bombing, for and against abortion, for and against raising taxes on the wealthy, for and against raising min wage? I'm not a Democrat and I would fight for issues on both sides of the aisle but I can't vote for a racist bigot like Trump. I love my country too much for that. No Clinton is not perfect but beside Trump she is head and shoulders better for my country. Oh and for guns in bars and then against them. Trump doesn't have a policy that I can agree with. You would vote republican no matter what and you are the sheep. Not me. You punk.

Swvahorn I work in energy sector. Have you seen Hillary's comments on fracking and what her intentions are? You should know all about flip flopping candidates. That mess she pulled in your own back yard was a face plant of epic proportions. When she got called out to her face she claimed she was just "funnin" . Epic. How about her flip flopping on gay marriage? I can provide video of her defining marriage as being between a man and woman only a few short years ago. How about being paid millions by the Saudi's and otger two or sponsoring nations that allow horrible treatment of women but at the same time she claims she is looking out for women. How can that be? How is voting for someone that is bought off by foreign countries better for you country? Hillary just got shamed one week ago into finally addressing radical Islam behind these terror attacks. Trump wants to stop the illegal influx of immigrants. They are welcome if the come in registered like the law states. What wrong with that? Allowing our border patrol to do their job. What's wrong with that? Trump is not the answer to everything no doubt but I've seen enough of Hillary to realize she's a puppet of foreign governments at this point and an extension of the current regime in the White House. I have a feeling November gonna be a rough time for some of you boys.

 

[HornsRuleU]

This radical jihadist was there to terrorize and kill. He was incensed that there were gay people not adhering to his barbaric sharia law. He didn't want anything in return other than to kill in the name of Allah. He wa not gay either as the media tried to pathetically convince everyone. No he hated gays just like all the radicals do as well as their mistreatment of women in every conceivable way. Sickening how some can be bought by countries that support these radical Islam jihadi's and them claim to be 'for the people'. Sick

Belldozer, belldozer, belldozer... Your "argument" here hasn't been dismantled sufficiently yet.

Omar Mateen was married to someone who questioned his manhood. His first wife thought he was gay, reportedly. He was a regular in a gay club. Do the math. The dude was practicing homosexuality, likely, and loathed himself? That's just a supposition.

Arabs don't usually talk about it with westerners, but one aspect of their culture is for Arab men to use boys as "recipients". That is, they rape boys. Not all Arab men do this, of course, but it's common enough to be an actual thing. It's not just something to say about Aggie Arabs or T-sip Arabs or whatever.

The separation of men and women in Islam, including the covering via hijab of the women, showing only face and hands, might also play a role in the frequency of homosexual behavior among Arab and non-Arab Muslims. That's a conjecture.

Your problem, Belldozer, is you've got a very rudimentary understanding of the Arabic words you're using, combined with utter confidence in your misbeliefs. You know as much as your favorite sources tell you. You (and they) are mixing small truths (about a foreign religion and language) with giant vats of B.S. You lack any sort of cultural knowledge or sense of nuance.

So, when Muslims are in the news, you scan that news to get whatever you need to fit your slightly true narrative. You go on your merry way, convinced that you're right, and trying to convince others.

Put another way, you're just like the guy you're gonna vote for, in November.

(From an evangelical Christian who detests demagogues.)

 

[Scholz]

You want the republican to win because by God they are your team.

Yep. Party above country. It's called tribalism and what's wrong with the world. Just look at Paul Ryan. He obviously doesn't want Trump and knows he's a complete sociopath but by gawd he's got an (R) by his name. Doesn't matter that he isn't even a Republican.

 

[Belldozer1]

Belldozer, belldozer, belldozer... Your "argument" here hasn't been dismantled sufficiently yet.

Omar Mateen was married to someone who questioned his manhood. His first wife thought he was gay, reportedly. He was a regular in a gay club. Do the math. The dude was practicing homosexuality, likely, and loathed himself? That's just a supposition.

Arabs don't usually talk about it with westerners, but one aspect of their culture is for Arab men to use boys as "recipients". That is, they rape boys. Not all Arab men do this, of course, but it's common enough to be an actual thing. It's not just something to say about Aggie Arabs or T-sip Arabs or whatever.

The separation of men and women in Islam, including the covering via hijab of the women, showing only face and hands, might also play a role in the frequency of homosexual behavior among Arab and non-Arab Muslims. That's a conjecture.

Your problem, Belldozer, is you've got a very rudimentary understanding of the Arabic words you're using, combined with utter confidence in your misbeliefs. You know as much as your favorite sources tell you. You (and they) are mixing small truths (about a foreign religion and language) with giant vats of B.S. You lack any sort of cultural knowledge or sense of nuance.

So, when Muslims are in the news, you scan that news to get whatever you need to fit your slightly true narrative. You go on your merry way, convinced that you're right, and trying to convince others.

Put another way, you're just like the guy you're gonna vote for, in November.

(From an evangelical Christian who detests demagogues.)

Horns rulesU yes we've all seen the videos of ISIS throwing the gay guy off the roof top but not until they had their way with him. I'm fully aware of that deal. Maybe the guy liked both who knows but I'm not buying it. The fact of the matter that cannot be denied is his 911 call and what was said. I mean come on it is what it is. It's not my fault radical Muslims have been on the news chanting death to America every chance they get. Case in point I ran. The current regime spearheaded a deal with Iran to lift sanctions and release billions to Iran in exchange for their agreement to stop enriching uranium, get rid of some etc. in the end guess who the only country not to sign that deal out of the P5+1 that agreed to it? You got it, Iran. So instead of sanctioning tgem back to the dark ages, Barry went ahead and lifted sanctions releasing billions to them. Tell me the fix isn't in?we have a sympathizer in the White House, hate to break it to you. Oh and Iran was shouting death to America the whole time. Good stuff

 

[Belldozer1]

Yep. Party above country. It's called tribalism and what's wrong with the world. Just look at Paul Ryan. He obviously doesn't want Trump and knows he's a complete sociopath but by gawd he's got an (R) by his name. Doesn't matter that he isn't even a Republican.

Paul Ryan can suck it in my opinion. He scared the gravy train may be vacating him and his cohorts soon. I can only hope

 

[HornsRuleU]

Sure you do. It's called the American South. Right wing extremists are a far greater threat to our national security than Muslims. And they love their guns.

In terms of making big news for an attack, and murdering many at once, radicalized Muslims are worse.

In terms of the total number of victims, the right-wing conpiracy-nuts are hurting more people. Fewer murders, though.

Most Muslims are not radicalized, and will not become radicalized, despite the efforts of Trump to put all Muslims in the same basket as ISIS (Daesh), the Taliban, al Qaeda, al Shabaab, al Nusra, HAMAS, etc.

Trump's intentionally ambiguous rhetoric is full of poorly hidden bigotry. Mr. "I say what I want to" disguises his true meaning in ambiguity. He acts shocked when critics take his words seriously. "Take out the families of terrorists? Oh, that doesn't mean murder them!" He backtracks. He outright lies, 94% of the time. (That's actually been researched.)

Uneducated, racist whites love him. He's suggesting what they want to hear leaders say. Authoritarians eat him up. They're ready to fall in lockstep, or goosestep, rather.

So the most extreme, most racist among the uneducated whites are likely to do something stupid. Something evil. Hate crimes against Jews are way up. Crimes against Muslims. Against Hispanics. They put his hints into action. Trump can feign ignorance. He can pretend he had no intention of advocating violence, racism, sexism or extreme nationalism.

Mostly, though, it's just harassment. Racist, white nut jobs harassing people for the way they look.

 

[swVAHorn]

Swvahorn I work in energy sector. Have you seen Hillary's comments on fracking and what her intentions are? You should know all about flip flopping candidates. That mess she pulled in your own back yard was a face plant of epic proportions. When she got called out to her face she claimed she was just "funnin" . Epic. How about her flip flopping on gay marriage? I can provide video of her defining marriage as being between a man and woman only a few short years ago. How about being paid millions by the Saudi's and otger two or sponsoring nations that allow horrible treatment of women but at the same time she claims she is looking out for women. How can that be? How is voting for someone that is bought off by foreign countries better for you country? Hillary just got shamed one week ago into finally addressing radical Islam behind these terror attacks. Trump wants to stop the illegal influx of immigrants. They are welcome if the come in registered like the law states. What wrong with that? Allowing our border patrol to do their job. What's wrong with that? Trump is not the answer to everything no doubt but I've seen enough of Hillary to realize she's a puppet of foreign governments at this point and an extension of the current regime in the White House. I have a feeling November gonna be a rough time for some of you boys.

Why do you think Brent Scowcroft and several other republican leaders are not voting for Trump? Have you ever seen the party leaders like a candidate less? But u probably see that as a good thing. Ever seen the violence we are seeing at campaign events? Trump plays on people's hatred and biases. He will say or do anything to be president. Changing a position over a period of years is a damn bit different than changing his position every ten minutes. I would vote against him no matter the party. I will vote what is best for my country. He ain't it.

 

[Belldozer1]

Why do you think Brent Scowcroft and several other republican leaders are not voting for Trump? Have you ever seen the party leaders like a candidate less? But u probably see that as a good thing. Ever seen the violence we are seeing at campaign events? Trump plays on people's hatred and biases. He will say or do anything to be president. Changing a position over a period of years is a damn bit different than changing his position every ten minutes. I would vote against him no matter the party. I will vote what is best for my country. He ain't it.

Ok you are entitled to your opinion. You're damn right factions of the GOP party don't like Trump but you know what? The people are fed up with nothing getting done and don't really give a shit if the establishment is happy with Trump. I hope if Trump is elected he holds people accountable. The Republican Party officials stopped effectively fighting for republicans 8 years ago in my opinion. Boehner's a joke and Ryan is too in my opinion.

 

[swVAHorn]

Ok you are entitled to your opinion. You're damn right factions of the GOP party don't like Trump but you know what? The people are fed up with nothing getting done and don't really give a shit if the establishment is happy with Trump. I hope if Trump is elected he holds people accountable. The Republican Party officials stopped effectively fighting for republicans 8 years ago in my opinion. Boehner's a joke and Ryan is too in my opinion.

Let me guess bell....The U.S. is on the brink of destruction...the free world is about to fall......Obama is sending troops to take over states....Clintons are killing people who disagree with them....lets see what else??

See you are making the assumption the U.S. is in terrible shape and barely hanging on.....BULLSHIT. This country is great. This country is Strong. This is the best country in the world NOW....not in the past tense...NOW.

Here is the reason I hate the far right and the far right radio fans. They can't just disagree with a policy. They have to say it is "THE END OF THE UNITED STATES AS WE KNOW IT!!" No it's not. Compromise is not losing....compromise is not caving in....compromise is not a dirty word. Our form of government was set up for people to compromise. When it becomes all or nothing then that is when the U.S. is really in trouble. When half the Americans hate the other half then that is when we fail as a nation.

I hate the party system. People will vote party over country to spite themselves. Since Obama has been president there has been no takeovers of states by the military...no Constitution has been torn up......he is not a dictator, king or any other nonsense you listen to from the nuts that are just trying to make money OFF YOUR FEAR.

 

[oldschoolcat]

Since Obama has been president there has been no takeovers of states by the military...no Constitution has been torn up......he is not a dictator, king or any other nonsense you listen to from the nuts that are just trying to make money OFF YOUR FEAR.

But I still disagree with his policies. On taxation, welfare, immigration, healthcare, and how he uses every tragedy to further his political cause. He could have used the office to bring this Country together.....but he chose to be an ideologue. And for that I will be glad to see him gone.

 

[oldhorn2]

Clob...I dont have a link to OAN....they are just the news station I watch. ABC news is now interviewing the guy, so you can catch it there.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-alleging-omar-mateen-former-000000045.html

 

[clob94]

The quicker we all realize that there are 350 million political agendas in this country, and you're never going to get everything you want, and your belief system is marginalized, the more you'll realize that you, yes all of you, are just boot makers to kings--- myself included. No matter who leads this country, the elected officials are never going yo allow you insight into "their" world. The left and right hate Trump because he's a wild card that could ruin their cushy lives by exposing them for the leaches of the system that they are. The right hates Hillary because they see her as evil and a criminal and a liar. A choice between the lesser of two evils is still evil. The days of true statesmen are gone boys. The days of a level headed uniting individual are done. There are 20% of Americans on this side and 20% of Americans on that side and the other 40% of us in the middle going "what the fvck?"

 

[swVAHorn]

The quicker we all realize that there are 350 million political agendas in this country, and you're never going to get everything you want, and your belief system is marginalized, the more you'll realize that you, yes all of you, are just boot makers to kings--- myself included. No matter who leads this country, the elected officials are never going yo allow you insight into "their" world. The left and right hate Trump because he's a wild card that could ruin their cushy lives by exposing them for the leaches of the system that they are. The right hates Hillary because they see her as evil and a criminal and a liar. A choice between the lesser of two evils is still evil. The days of true statesmen are gone boys. The days of a level headed uniting individual are done. There are 20% of Americans on this side and 20% of Americans on that side and the other 40% of us in the middle going "what the fvck?"

But we got to change it clob...not just give up. I don't think the candidates are "out to get us" or "only care about themselves"...

I do know that a Nation Divided will not stand. It is time to look in the mirror. Are you getting the information you "want" or the information you "need"? Don't just put it on a channel that will tell you what you want to hear. Get both sides and forget the "R" and "D" and do the right thing.

you know we don't have it so bad. We are a pretty damn great country. When people talk about the government like it is a snake waiting to bite us it bothers me. We pat soldiers on the back and then turn around and slap them in the face and say "everything you did was for nothing" ....Why is everyone (well mainly the far right) so apt to blow up our government and start over? What is so BAD about our Country? I really want to know.

 

[TX1972]

How did we manage to get 2 such repulsive presidential? One who wants to insult anyone who disagrees with him. One who was fired from her first job for lying, yet continues to lie for money? The republican "base" who prefer to select the most unlikely candidate, so as to lose to such a liar? The democrats who would follow Comrade Hillary to hell?