Strong to get 3rd year....

[madcow12]

247 reporting that Perrin has all the BMD/ most influential donors on board to give Strong another year. Perrin seems to be the driver and main person on bringing Strong back. 247 says UT believes firing Strong after only two years

"makes Texas appear to be a dysfunctional mess of an institution that isn't willing to give coaches a fair shake"

FULL QUOTE:

The reason being, we're told, is if Strong was fired or asked to find a landing spot after this season it would make Texas appear to be a dysfunctional mess that isn't willing to give coaches a fair shake

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Good!

 

[bubba2023]

I think that's for the best. Hopefully this will stabilize recruiting. Although it likely signals after year 3 it's decision time, which is what I believe most felt anyway.

 

[diadevic]

Making a decision because of appearances? Either he's the right guy and you stand by him, or he's the wrong guy and cut your losses. Personally, I would let him go. But I can understand and appreciate the viewpoint that Strong needs 3 years (which, to me, was forfeited by getting shut out by Iowa St. - that is unacceptable any time). But to keep him because of appearances? Hurry up and get the new AD!

 

[OldHornInPA]

Then I hope the BMD buy a lot of season tickets next year. Sad to say, but DKR will be empty unless the program is turned around in a hurry.

 

[Belldozer1]

I'll come 'try' to get it turned around for a total of 15 million too. Is this even real life? Good grief I wish I was in Strong's shoes right now.

 

[EWNHorn]

I think we sometimes forget that Strong was handcuffed a little with Patterson. I believe he needs a chance to get this O straightened out and be the program manager he is hired to be. At Texas you have very little time to coach. Especially with Longhorn Network all up in your business. Now i'm not making excuses for him, but I believe he needs a chance to make asst changes and then evaluate him. There are reports he was wanting different direction on O but was not given the authority to spend the money to make those hires, true or not i tend to believe since Patterson cut the $20,000 normally budgeted for suits and clothes that they had normally spent on the players. Now if he strikes out with this new hire and changes on O then it is time to cut our losses. But remember we praised him for killing the entitlement that had choked the life out of this program and with that came big losses in both athletes and games. His first year round recruiting class has looked good, but he needs the chance to get another on campus and on the field. All of these calling for his head do nothing but hurt recruiting, because if you believe those kids and their families don't get on here and read you are sorely mistaken.
Let's get behind this man and the changes he is now allowed to make (like spend some money to get a top OC)! I will be in Austin supporting this group of guys and the man leading them. From the type of man he seems to be (I don't know him personally), I think there is none of us that could pressure him more than he pressures himself.

 

[madcow12]

I'll come 'try' to get it turned around for a total of 15 million too. Is this even real life? Good grief I wish I was in Strong's shoes right now.

 

[bubba2023]

I think we sometimes forget that Strong was handcuffed a little with Patterson. I believe he needs a chance to get this O straightened out and be the program manager he is hired to be. At Texas you have very little time to coach. Especially with Longhorn Network all up in your business. Now i'm not making excuses for him, but I believe he needs a chance to make asst changes and then evaluate him. There are reports he was wanting different direction on O but was not given the authority to spend the money to make those hires, true or not i tend to believe since Patterson cut the $20,000 normally budgeted for suits and clothes that they had normally spent on the players. Now if he strikes out with this new hire and changes on O then it is time to cut our losses. But remember we praised him for killing the entitlement that had choked the life out of this program and with that came big losses in both athletes and games. His first year round recruiting class has looked good, but he needs the chance to get another on campus and on the field. All of these calling for his head do nothing but hurt recruiting, because if you believe those kids and their families don't get on here and read you are sorely mistaken.
Let's get behind this man and the changes he is now allowed to make (like spend some money to get a top OC)! I will be in Austin supporting this group of guys and the man leading them. From the type of man he seems to be (I don't know him personally), I think there is none of us that could pressure him more than he pressures himself.

The reports are that Patterson wouldn't buyout Chad Morris' contract. That would have been 5 million, and an additional million (if not more) for his salary. Every AD in the country would deny that request, that's not being handcuffed. No other coach in the country gets 6 million dollars to hire a coordinator.

 

[Belldozer1]

I think we sometimes forget that Strong was handcuffed a little with Patterson. I believe he needs a chance to get this O straightened out and be the program manager he is hired to be. At Texas you have very little time to coach. Especially with Longhorn Network all up in your business. Now i'm not making excuses for him, but I believe he needs a chance to make asst changes and then evaluate him. There are reports he was wanting different direction on O but was not given the authority to spend the money to make those hires, true or not i tend to believe since Patterson cut the $20,000 normally budgeted for suits and clothes that they had normally spent on the players. Now if he strikes out with this new hire and changes on O then it is time to cut our losses. But remember we praised him for killing the entitlement that had choked the life out of this program and with that came big losses in both athletes and games. His first year round recruiting class has looked good, but he needs the chance to get another on campus and on the field. All of these calling for his head do nothing but hurt recruiting, because if you believe those kids and their families don't get on here and read you are sorely mistaken.
Let's get behind this man and the changes he is now allowed to make (like spend some money to get a top OC)! I will be in Austin supporting this group of guys and the man leading them. From the type of man he seems to be (I don't know him personally), I think there is none of us that could pressure him more than he pressures himself.

I'm an outsider and my opinion doesn't matter, buuutttt, for me if UT would have finished the season, say, 7-5 then you would probably still hear some jeers and ridicule from opposing fanbases etc. but you could point to your record as improvement and a reason to have hope for next year but instead you are in the hunt for another OC and changing the whole offensive game plan again. I'm not sure what can be done in 1 year that hasn't already happened in his previous 2? Who is your qb? Most people conclude that it's neither Heard or Swoopes so that means handing the reins over to a rs freshman next year? I'm not saying things can't be turned around but I just curious what some of you fans are seeing that looks promising based on the issues I've just mentioned?

It appears that Strong is being possibly forced and maybe even told who he needs to hire as the OC? The defense hasn't been anything to write home about either and is ranked fairly poorly across the board statistically. I'm just not sure why Texas would continue to pay Strong 5 mil a year when they could get an up and comer for half that easily and have input on who he can and can't hire?

 

[TexExSpur]

I'm an outsider and my opinion doesn't matter, buuutttt, for me if UT would have finished the season, say, 7-5 then you would probably still hear some jeers and ridicule from opposing fanbases etc. but you could point to your record as improvement and a reason to have hope for next year but instead you are in the hunt for another OC and changing the whole offensive game plan again. I'm not sure what can be done in 1 year that hasn't already happened in his previous 2? Who is your qb? Most people conclude that it's neither Heard or Swoopes so that means handing the reins over to a rs freshman next year? I'm not saying things can't be turned around but I just curious what some of you fans are seeing that looks promising based on the issues I've just mentioned?

It appears that Strong is being possibly forced and maybe even told who he needs to hire as the OC? The defense hasn't been anything to write home about either and is ranked fairly poorly across the board statistically. I'm just not sure why Texas would continue to pay Strong 5 mil a year when they could get an up and comer for half that easily and have input on who he can and can't hire?

There are some that would like to make you think that, but how dumb is that....they wouldn't be able to pin it on him.

 

[hookedonhorns]

This whole thing is a mess when you look at all the stories.

Basically hes getting a third year and being told to get an OC that has never called plays. How crazy is that?

 

[ryan_sublett]

I don't have a real complaint with him getting a 3rd year. It's probably fair given what we know about what was here when he got here and the events since. In all honesty Perrin is probably right on what firing strong would make us look like

With that said if the BMD are expecting 8-10 wins in order to get year 4 you might as well fire him now and save everyone the trouble. Strong is only laying the foundation for his replacement if that's the case.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Making a decision because of appearances? Either he's the right guy and you stand by him, or he's the wrong guy and cut your losses. Personally, I would let him go. But I can understand and appreciate the viewpoint that Strong needs 3 years (which, to me, was forfeited by getting shut out by Iowa St. - that is unacceptable any time). But to keep him because of appearances? Hurry up and get the new AD!

But it's not just because of appearances. What this shows is the AD's understanding that appearances have practical effects, and conveying the impression that we're unfair and trigger-happy with our head coaches is something that could very easily produce undesirable longer-term, real-world effects. This is the smart move, and for very practical reasons.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

The reports are that Patterson wouldn't buyout Chad Morris' contract. That would have been 5 million, and an additional million (if not more) for his salary. Every AD in the country would deny that request, that's not being handcuffed. No other coach in the country gets 6 million dollars to hire a coordinator.

But that's not the only way people point to in saying he was handcuffed by Patterson. Patterson's capping our eight quality-control assistants at near-poverty wages while freaking Kansas paid nearly double is another egregious example.

 

[Iitbhorn3]

This is not a good situation for anyone.
Not for UT because they are going to be in a worse situation next year.
Not for Charlie because he is not getting a resounding vote of confidence from UT. He is not going to be very successful in hiring or recruiting with a "You do suck, but it is too early to fire you because it will us look bad. We are 100% behind you" support.
Not for the fans.
Certainly not for the players.

 

[Cotton #12]

Any coach that accepts employment at a school like Ohio State,Alabama,Lsu,Florida,Notre Dame,Florida State,Texas with historical history of winning football understands the expectations.Texas and these schools will be fair to a point,some Texas fans have seen enough,others want to give him more time.Im still on the fence but the arrow must start going up.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Any coach that accepts employment at a school like Ohio State,Alabama,Lsu,Florida,Notre Dame,Florida State,Texas with historical history of winning football understands the expectations.

Yes, obviously, but none of those schools have run off a new coach in two seasons without off-field issues being a major factor. To not only be the first to do so, but to do it when anyone objectively looking at the situation (including prospective coaches) knows that Strong walked into a less than ideal situation would be a very poor, potentially self-defeating decision.

 

[DrinkToIt]

Making a decision because of appearances? Either he's the right guy and you stand by him, or he's the wrong guy and cut your losses. Personally, I would let him go. But I can understand and appreciate the viewpoint that Strong needs 3 years (which, to me, was forfeited by getting shut out by Iowa St. - that is unacceptable any time). But to keep him because of appearances? Hurry up and get the new AD!

Should OU feel like losing to Texas in Dallas invalidates their season? One game a season does not make. That loss was an abomination, but three more were absolutely winnable with the ball bouncing a different way.

Let Strong get this next class solidified, change the offensive approach and then if there isnt marked improvement in year three, then you make the change. Tom Herman seems to be waiting for a better gig, and another very good year at UH would solidify his position to become the next coach at UT should Charlie not do what he needs to. Herman was one of the hottest names for SC and potentially other programs, but UH offered him more money to stay, and from what Ive seen, he really enjoyed his time at Texas under Mack and this is a job he would absolutely leave UH for. The timing just isnt right.

I really hope Strong gets it done next year, but if not, time for change.

 

[DrinkToIt]

I'm an outsider and my opinion doesn't matter, buuutttt, for me if UT would have finished the season, say, 7-5 then you would probably still hear some jeers and ridicule from opposing fanbases etc. but you could point to your record as improvement and a reason to have hope for next year but instead you are in the hunt for another OC and changing the whole offensive game plan again. I'm not sure what can be done in 1 year that hasn't already happened in his previous 2? Who is your qb? Most people conclude that it's neither Heard or Swoopes so that means handing the reins over to a rs freshman next year? I'm not saying things can't be turned around but I just curious what some of you fans are seeing that looks promising based on the issues I've just mentioned?

It appears that Strong is being possibly forced and maybe even told who he needs to hire as the OC? The defense hasn't been anything to write home about either and is ranked fairly poorly across the board statistically. I'm just not sure why Texas would continue to pay Strong 5 mil a year when they could get an up and comer for half that easily and have input on who he can and can't hire?

Keep in mind that a good offense is a good defense. You are on the field longer, keeping the opposing defense on the field longer, and by scoring more points, force the other team to keep up.

Having a great offense changes this dramatically. When your defense is constantly on a tight rope and never gets rest to boot, eventually its going to collapse. Having such a crappy offense makes the defense worse.

 

[Iitbhorn3]

The team as a whole - offense, defense and special teams has not played anywhere close to potential the last two years.
38-3
50-7
23-0

The offense was horrendous last year. The offense was horrendous to start this year. It took us 6 games realize that we had to and could run the ball.

I would feel better about Charlie String staying if I knew that he was going to kill it in recruiting and his OC hire was going to have an immediate impact and lead us to a 9+ win regular season in 2016. That for some magical reason his team is not going to suffer from injuries in 2016 as well. That his defense is going to drastically be better in 2016. That we are not going to hear about "needing to execute".

I would have felt better if I saw improvement during the season in 2015. But, I did not. I saw a whole lot of inconsistency. That is all on coaching and the way kids are taught and practices are conducted.

It comes down to trust. I personally would not hire a person I do not trust completely to succeed.
And, I do not have that trust in Charlie Strong right now.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Does anyone who wants to see Strong fired nevertheless plan to stop kvetching for a while once it's perfectly clear that he's staying? Just curious.

 

[Okie70]

Tough spot for Strong, no doubt. Especially given the schedule next year. With Notre Dame and the top 12 of the Big 12 all likely to be as good or better (Russell back for Baylor, TCU with a gazzilion freshmen tossed into the fire this year, OU with Mayfield, OSU with 20 starters back), although you have scoreboard on OU, even 8-4 next year seems like a stretch. Will that be enough for Strong?

 

[Okie70]

Top 4 of the Big 12.

 

[HornDrummer]

Because Texas won't be any better at all.........

I'm sorry, who had a gazillion freshmen tossed into the fire this year? Who??

And I can't wait to play Mayfield again.

 

[westx]

This is not a good situation for anyone.
Not for UT because they are going to be in a worse situation next year.
Not for Charlie because he is not getting a resounding vote of confidence from UT. He is not going to be very successful in hiring or recruiting with a "You do suck, but it is too early to fire you because it will us look bad. We are 100% behind you" support.
Not for the fans.
Certainly not for the players.

Charlie is not an ignorant child. He is a big boy playing in a big boy league. I have no doubt he knows the stakes. Regardless of the noise going on around him, he has a job to do. He has all of the tools to get the job done. It is within his control to do whatever needs to be done and has nobody to blame. Charlie knows and understands all of this, otherwise, why did he pull Watson from play calling duties. Message board fans that are upset or BMD that are upset have zero ability to get in the way of him doing his job. It's on him-he knows this. I was always impressed with how Mack handled this stuff. He would smile and embrace it and say "Yes, it is a legitimate beef if we don't win"(paraphrased)

 

[Iitbhorn3]

Charlie is not an ignorant child. He is a big boy playing in a big boy league. I have no doubt he knows the stakes. Regardless of the noise going on around him, he has a job to do. He has all of the tools to get the job done. It is within his control to do whatever needs to be done and has nobody to blame. Charlie knows and understands all of this, otherwise, why did he pull Watson from play calling duties. Message board fans that are upset or BMD that are upset have zero ability to get in the way of him doing his job. It's on him-he knows this. I was always impressed with how Mack handled this stuff. He would smile and embrace it and say "Yes, it is a legitimate beef if we don't win"(paraphrased)

Charlie is paid to know the state of our offense before the rest of the world learns about it.
He is paid to prevent this from happening.
What was he doing between 37-3 and 38-3?

 

[Belldozer1]

Charlie is paid to know the state of our offense before the rest of the world learns about it.
He is paid to prevent this from happening.
What was he doing between 37-3 and 38-3?

Well at least y'all are losing with 'good kids' and there is something to be said for that. Not sure what, but there is something.

 

[ekal48]

The thing that really worries me is lack of improvement. From last year to this year and from the start of this year to now. Other than maybe a little better Oline play I just don't see any improvement. Not only offense, but defense also.

We are still making the same mistakes, and penalties that we shouldn't be making. You don't have to be an expert to spot a poorly coached team.

Having said that, I do believe he should have another year. Substantial improvement is a must next year or we need another engineer on this train.

 

[swVAHorn]

Well at least y'all are losing with 'good kids' and there is something to be said for that. Not sure what, but there is something.

Not to ou though..........24-17

 

[Scholz]

Well at least y'all are losing with 'good kids' and there is something to be said for that. Not sure what, but there is something.

Self respect and integrity. We certainly don't keep girl beaters on our team to win games like some.

 

[hookedonhorns]

The thing that really worries me is lack of improvement. From last year to this year and from the start of this year to now. Other than maybe a little better Oline play I just don't see any improvement. Not only offense, but defense also.

We are still making the same mistakes, and penalties that we shouldn't be making. You don't have to be an expert to spot a poorly coached team.

Having said that, I do believe he should have another year. Substantial improvement is a must next year or we need another engineer on this train.

My biggest concern is the defense. You could see it deteriorate as the players got hurt Thursday. We were struggling without tank and then we lost Jinkens. The defense couldn't keep up. Then Malik went out and it was all over with. Reminded me a lot of Iowa State last year when we were missing one LB most of the game and we got scored on over and over again. If you think this team lacks talent now, wait and see what happens next year as we struggle to fill more holes when these seniors leave.

 

[Scholz]

If you think this team lacks talent now, wait and see what happens next year as we struggle to fill more holes when these seniors leave.

Our talent is in the younger classes.

 

[Belldozer1]

Self respect and integrity. We certainly don't keep girl beaters on our team to win games like some.

How do you feel about your coach flat out lying to the team and the big wigs? Is that integrity? Let me expound. When Strong said 'no more 5 loss seasons at Texas' was he lying? It sure appears that way or was he being obtuse and feels okay about it because your team very well may lose 8 this year instead of 5 like he quoted? How about the whole Wickline fiasco. No, Charlie lie real good.

 

[Scholz]

How do you feel about your coach flat out lying to the team and the big wigs? Is that integrity?

About what pray tell?

I see I touched a nerve about you people condoning violence against women. I would be ashamed of it too if it were my team.