I'm not suggesting that you did. My point was that I don't think Ewers will have bad games because of his inexperience. The guy looks like he's been playing on the college level for 3 years and as Sark was saying, he appears to be pretty much unbothered by the circumstances surrounding him. Much like Bryce Young and CJ Stroud last season, Quinn will probably have many more days where he looks like he should be in NY in December than days where he struggles.
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Don't think I've stated anything different. I've just seen enough in those 7 quarters to tell me that this guy won't go through a bunch of growing pains. I guess we'll need to let the passage of time settle this. Either you will be proven right or me, Anwar and numerous others that agree with us will be.
Was that the game where he tried to reach out and put the ball into the end zone - and someone slapped it out of his hand for a fumble - when he was stopped on a quarterback sneak?
13 of 23 for 162 yards, 1 touchdown and 1 INT
19 yards rushing on 11 attempts. zero touchdowns.
Fumbled twice, lost one.
Sure it will, but you can easily take the "half-full" vs "half-empty" approach by recognizing that he has looked pretty darn fantastic sans a couple of throws in the time he's played.
It doesn't get any tougher than playing the #1 team in the country with the Heisman-winning QB in front of a huge global audience and making it look easy. Young didn't equal Ewers' passing stats until Q4 in that game, and Quinn went out in Q1. Seems decent.
I don't view my take as half-full or half-empty.
More like matter of fact.
He's been sensational thus far. Stating that something that happens to 98% of quarterbacks will probably happen to him isn't coming from subjective place.
Ketch - based on the trusty ole internet, I did some research on size/speed.
JF - 6’5, 240-247
JS - 6’4, 250-260 (higher end to my naked eye)
40 times look the same too…
JF 4.67 - 4.82
JS not sure…saw one that said 4.67 but curious what OB has on file.
I’m not sure there’s anything conclusive in this other than JF is taller and thinner…and given those b-ball programs that pursued JF, I’d still be inclined that JF is more athletic.
Neither has blazing speed…
Sanders looks like an NFL TE and due to his weight and solid build (he looks 15 pounds heavier than JF…though muscle weight) he should be a better blocking TE. I know he has amazing hands as we’ve all seen some highlight reels of his demonstrating that.
All that to say, I’m a huge JS fan. Huge. Since the Bama game I’ve been suggesting he’ll end up being our biggest mismatch of any offensive weapon. I can’t wait to see some jump balls on the end zone to him…and we will.
I think we’re splitting hairs on who’s more athletic…for now though, Finley and DThomas are still my all-time fave TE’s…hopefully I have a different choice in two years though
Sanders is a more explosive player after the catch IMO. He's a guy you can throw a hitch to and he can take it 50. I never really thought of Finley like that.. and if we're being really honest.... Finley had some effort issues in college.Ketch - based on the trusty ole internet, I did some research on size/speed.
JF - 6’5, 240-247
JS - 6’4, 250-260 (higher end to my naked eye)
40 times look the same too…
JF 4.67 - 4.82
JS not sure…saw one that said 4.67 but curious what OB has on file.
I’m not sure there’s anything conclusive in this other than JF is taller and thinner…and given those b-ball programs that pursued JF, I’d still be inclined that JF is more athletic.
Neither has blazing speed…
Sanders looks like an NFL TE and due to his weight and solid build (he looks 15 pounds heavier than JF…though muscle weight) he should be a better blocking TE. I know he has amazing hands as we’ve all seen some highlight reels of his demonstrating that.
All that to say, I’m a huge JS fan. Huge. Since the Bama game I’ve been suggesting he’ll end up being our biggest mismatch of any offensive weapon. I can’t wait to see some jump balls on the end zone to him…and we will.
I think we’re splitting hairs on who’s more athletic…for now though, Finley and DThomas are still my all-time fave TE’s…hopefully I have a different choice in two years though
I’ll give you that on Finley (though it has nothing to do with athleticism…that was something often said about Roy Williams too).
In terms of the value I put on a TE, it’s really two main things (excluding blocking)
- can you get open
- are you dependable to make a tough catch
No TE is likely to outrun a DB so I’m not putting as much stock in “burst” as you are. That said, I do think JS has more ability to brutally make someone pay for trying to bring him down.
We’re splitting hairs. I hope Sanders goes down as #1 TE for Texas. This whole message board would love that.
In terms of the value I put on a TE, it’s really two main things (excluding blocking)
- can you get open
- are you dependable to make a tough catch
No TE is likely to outrun a DB so I’m not putting as much stock in “burst” as you are. That said, I do think JS has more ability to brutally make someone pay for trying to bring him down.
We’re splitting hairs. I hope Sanders goes down as #1 TE for Texas. This whole message board would love that.
Sanders is already a better player at Texas than Finley ever was.
Now you've gone full on tilt with that comment...as Sanders basically played ZERO time (at TE) last year thus is a year behind Finley so far....thankfully for Sanders, in this context, he has potentially three more seasons to exceed Finley being Finley left after his Soph year to be a 3rd round draft pick.
Going back to talent, Finley was District MVP in hoops and ran track (4 x 200m relay and triple jump).
Here's from our friend Wikipedia about Finley:
Finley attended Diboll High School in Diboll, Texas where he not only started at tight end, but also played defensive end, wide receiver, safety, punter and kicker.[1] As a high school senior he was named first-team 3A all-state by the Texas Sports Writer Association and second-team by the Associated Press.[1] He was also named first-team all-district as a junior. Finley also holds a number of records at Diboll including 36 receptions for 878 yards.[1] He also holds the record for receiving touchdowns with 13.[1] In addition to football, he also played on the basketball team, where he was a district most valuable player,[1] and ran track, where he was a member of the Diboll 4 × 200 metres relay (1:34.59), and a triple jumper (39 ft 10 in).[2]
Coming out of high school, Finley was ranked as a four star prospect by Rivals.com.[3] He stood at six feet four inches tall and weighed 210 pounds. He ran a forty-yard dash in 4.6 seconds.[3]
Finley received scholarships from Texas, Arizona, Houston, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech.[3]
College career[edit]
Finley chose to play at Texas and received a redshirt during his freshman year in 2005.[4]As a redshirt freshman, he played in all 13 games and started four of them when the Longhorns came out in two tight-end sets.[4] He caught passes in 10 games and broke the school freshman tight end record for receptions at 31 and had 371 yards and three touchdowns.[4] At the end of the year, Finley was named an honorable mention Freshman All-American team.[4]
Continuing on into his sophomore season, Finley started all 13 games at tight end. On October 6, 2007, Finley broke the school record for receiving yards by a tight end in a 28-21 loss against Oklahoma when he caught four passes for a career-high 149 yards.[4] He finished the season with 45 receptions for 575 yards and two touchdowns. His performance earned honorable mention All-Big 12 Conference honors from the league's coaches and media.[5]
On January 8, 2008, Finley announced he would forgo his junior and senior seasons of eligibility to enter the NFL by declaring himself eligible for the 2008 NFL Draft. Longhorn head coach Mack Brown said "Finley finished his career ranked among the most productive receiving tight ends in school history and handled himself well both on and off the field during his time at Texas."[6]
From the brief review I did of Sanders, "texassports.com" bio just says "he played basketball too." I'm sure the guy was good, but can't imagine he had Finley's accolades.
I feel like you're making me out to be a non-Sanders guy here, which I'm not. I'm a huge fan and like I said before, I said post-Bama that he'll be our best mismatch by the end of this season if not sooner...but to say he's done more than Finley so far is just flat out craziness. Potential = subjective. To date = factual.
Finley was just a pretty good college player.
In his last game against Texas A&M, I was told he graded lower than any player had ever graded under Mack.
Bro, you and I would have been studs at 3A. Sanders was a man VS boys in 5A & 6A games at Ryan where they won state 2 out of 3 years.
