Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (A weekend UT football could have done without...)

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Ketch - I wonder if there is a potential recruiting advantage for the Horns around financial strength of the program/athletic department?

Maybe not against the very top programs, but against some second tier programs?

I just saw Anwar's note about Kansas AD. Self & Miles taking pay cuts which spurred the thought. Now as a recruit, I might not be too concerned that Les Miles is Making $3.2M vs. $3.5M (just made up those numbers). But I could be concerned that if Les Miles is taking a pay cut, that might mean that they are cutting back in other areas that will more directly effect me and my development/success in their program.
UT’s fiscal calendar is from September 1 to August 31. The fiscal years of many athletic departments end in June, which is why those schools are cutting back now. UT has time to figure out if cuts are necessary.
 

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(Buy) Yes, the Cowboys have the pieces in place. That doesn't mean that they'll make a deep postseason run, but the pieces are in place.


(Sell) I had zero bad thoughts at all during the draft. I enjoyed the entire damn thing.

No. 8 - Scattershooting on the 2020 NFL Draft ...

... It's hard for me to completely articulate my feelings as a Cowboys fan because while I'm stuck in a two-decade purgatory as a fan, I really enjoyed the hell out of the draft to the point that it made feel like I reconnected with the team to a degree this weekend. It's rare when I've ever felt great about a Dallas draft from top to bottom, but every time they selected, the Cowboys took a player that appeared to be tremendous value in the round in which they selected him.

... I believe that before it's all said and done, Cee Dee Lamb will be remembered as one of the top-five receivers in the history of the Dallas Cowboys franchise. That's what I think of his addition to the roster. I think we're talking about the second-best offensive skill player that the Oklahoma program has ever produced outside of Adrian Peterson in the modern era of the program.

... One of the best things about landing Lamb is that the Cowboys kept him away from the Philadelphia Eagles.

... Jerry Jones is never allowed to leave his yacht ever again. That thing was good luck this weekend.

... Am I allowed to say that I don't know what to think of Joe Burrow and the Bengals? Man, as out of this world good as he was a year ago, I'm just not convinced on him. Maybe it's the fact that he's joining the Bengals, one of the true awful franchises in American professional sports. Whatever it is, I'm just not sold.

... Really liked what the Ravens did. For a franchise that was already a legit Super Bowl contender, they were able to give a big boost to both phases of an offense led by Lamar Jackson. Adding J.K. Dobbins to the puzzle reminds me a lot of when the Ravens drafted Ray Rice back in the day and I'm anticipating that Devin Duvernay makes a huge connection with Jackson in the passing game. Add in the help that the team got on the defensive side of the ball with a trio of picks in rounds one and three, and I think the Ravens were among the winners of the weekend.

... I like what the Dolphins have got cooking. Put me in the group that believes Tua Tagovailoa is going to light it up in Miami over time. They finally got someone that can take the quarterback torch away from Dan Marino.

... I feel the opposite about the Chargers. Just saying.

... Consider me still indecisive about how well I think Matt Rhule is going to do at Carolina, but I really like the draft they put together.

... As someone that was a big fan of Jalen Hurts as a college football player, I think the Eagles absolutely wasted a second-round pick on him.

... Tampa Bay is going to be a live-wire this season. Get your popcorn ready. Goodness gracious, the NFC is loaded.

... The 49ers got better this weekend. That's a well-oiled organization.

... Does Seattle hate Russell Wilson?

... Consider me a big fan of the entire way the draft was handled by the league and ESPN. They turned the draft into something that has always been framed as super serious into something that was super fun. We enjoyed judging people's living rooms. We enjoyed the kids and the dogs getting their TV shine on. Give us more of Jerry's yacht, Kingsbury's crib and whatever the hell was happening in the Mike Vrabel household in 2021.

... My guy Daniel Jeremiah was an absolute star this weekend in the ESPN/NFL Network coverage. It can only be a matter of time before ESPN makes a move for Mr. MoveTheSticks as the future of their NFL Draft coverage once the Mel Kiper Era officially ends.

No.9 - The List: Deciding the Teddy Riley/Babyface debate ...

For those that weren't paying attention last weekend and this week, musical legends Teddy Riley and Babyface had quite a weird little social media historical moment.

It started last weekend when the two legends from the 1990s and beyond were going to have some sort of Instagram Live showdown, except that Riley had so many technical issues that the entire moment will mostly be remembered for him acting like a 60-year-old trying to figure out modern technology. Yet, in the following days, Babyface did some Babyface stuff and Riley eventually figured out how to unmute his audio settings and both put on shows that have had people talking about their music.

Therefore, in honor of both, I came up with a Top 10 list for each, which we can compare against each other in the name of declaring a winner between the two music producing giants - one the master of the club banger and the other the master of the CD your girlfriend probably loves. Both arenas have immense value.

Teddy Riley's Top 10

10. Blackstreet's "Before I Let You Go"
9. Guy's "Teddy's Jam"
8. SWV's "Right Here"
7. Bobby Brown's "Every Little Step"
6. Hi-Five's "I Like The Way"
5. Wreckx-N-Effect's "Rump Shaker"
4. Keith Sweat's "I Want Her"
3. Blackstreet's "No Diggity"
2. Bobby Brown's "My Prerogative"
1. Michael Jackson's “Remember the Time”

Babyface's Top 10

10. Babyface's "When Can I see You Again"
9. Whitney Houston's "I'm Your Baby Tonight"
8. Karyn White's "Superwoman"
7. Bobby Brown's "Rock Witcha"
6. Mary J. Blige's "Not Gon' Cry"
5. Toni Braxton's “Love Shoulda Brought You Home”
4. The Whispers' "Rock Steady"
3. Tevin Campbell's "Can We Talk"
2. Bobby Brown's "Don't Be Cruel"
1. Boyz II Men's "End of the Road"

This is a tough call. "Remember The Time" is my favorite Michael Jackson song of all-time, while End of the Road is the mountaintop of mid90s R&B. Choosing between the best of Bobby Brown isn't easy. It's almost impossible to compare the two. If I want to bop in the car, I'm going with Riley, but if I'm in a slow-jam mood, give me Face.

Pound for pound when looking at each song in each Top 10, I think I have to give the edge to ... Riley

Botton line - If I could only listen to one of those lists for the rest of my life and the other list could never be listened to again, I'd take Riley's list on the desert island.

No.10 - And finally...

Is it wrong that this is how I envision all of you?

Ketch my friend if these guys are as good we all think they are they can make a reputation for themselves, Look some of the kids going to a small collage that get drafted. The B twines can and if good enough get picked in the draft. Texas has been in a slump getting the top lineman in the state and that needs to and will get better. Ketch you and the rest of the mods do a goob of telling us how it is if it hurts so be it. I know that there are guys that come along that can make a difference must get players. I have always said that no one player is bigger than the Texas program. If we miss on the B twins yes it will hurt. But just like others times we missed on a kid there is always a new name popping up. :D Y'all keep up the great job y'all are doing. My friends y'all have a blessed week. Win are Lose My Horns Will Always Shine And Be Raised High And Proud[/QUOTE]
May you also have a blessed week, my friend!
 
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I think there is always good reason to doubt these QBs who go from succeeding as part of incredibly dominant college offenses that overwhelm the defenses position by position for 8 or 9 of their 12 regular season games per year. To first having to transition to NFL in general and second having to transition to being on offenses that are usually anything but dominant.

What kind of year could Jordan Love have had this past year throwing to Ruggs and Jeudy from a clean pocket behind 5 future NFL linemen?
 

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I think there is always good reason to doubt these QBs who go from succeeding as part of incredibly dominant college offenses that overwhelm the defenses position by position for 8 or 9 of their 12 regular season games per year. To first having to transition to NFL in general and second having to transition to being on offenses that are usually anything but dominant.

What kind of year could Jordan Love have had this past year throwing to Ruggs and Jeudy from a clean pocket behind 5 future NFL linemen?
It's amazing how awesome those guys can all look at once when you've got a beast back there slinging the rock all over the field with tremendous accuracy.
 

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Yeah, I had the same reaction to the draft. If we can’t convince the Brockermeyer’s that we can develop them I have no idea how our current coach is ever going to get over the hump.

Also, if the season does not start on time I have no idea what is going to be different in Oct when it starts to cool down and flu season begins on top of things.
That’s where I’m at, wouldn’t it make sense to start practicing earlier since the heat is supposed to help keep it away. Then as fall starts we can see where Covid19 is heading before making a decision. If they wait until fall there’s a chance of no games being played.
 

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It's amazing how awesome those guys can all look at once when you've got a beast back there slinging the rock all over the field with tremendous accuracy.

And we all said the same thing about Mayfield and here is what he looked like in 2019 ...

Baker Mayfield #6 QB

TDS: 22

INT: 21

RTG: 78.8
 

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Great stuff. Super excited about the Cowboys draft, ending the Longhorns 8 month drought in 2021 recruiting, and the awesome addition of Greg Brown. He is a phenomenal player, and super exciting...let's stop pushing the envelope by saying he is a better dunker than Zion, because every other part of his game is amazing. He is an amazing dunker, as well, but he isn't ZDub.
 

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That’s where I’m at, wouldn’t it make sense to start practicing earlier since the heat is supposed to help keep it away. Then as fall starts we can see where Covid19 is heading before making a decision. If they wait until fall there’s a chance of no games being played.

seems like they could do students only at games and just limit it based on stadium size. The only people at risk here are old men like me. Kids just seem to just be the delivery mechanism.
 

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That’s where I’m at, wouldn’t it make sense to start practicing earlier since the heat is supposed to help keep it away. Then as fall starts we can see where Covid19 is heading before making a decision. If they wait until fall there’s a chance of no games being played.
I think the summer heat is just viewed as too dangerous.
 

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And we all said the same thing about Mayfield and here is what he looked like in 2019 ...

Baker Mayfield #6 QB

TDS: 22

INT: 21

RTG: 78.8
I'm not sure I said the same things about Mayfield.
 

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And we all said the same thing about Mayfield and here is what he looked like in 2019 ...

Baker Mayfield #6 QB

TDS: 22

INT: 21

RTG: 78.8

I want to make this point ...

I'm not saying that I think Burrows or Tua aren't good QBs with a reasonable chance of having successful NFL careers. What I am saying is that no position on the field benefits more on draft day from having great players all around them than the QB position. Virtually no QB (just ask Tom Brady) looks good when they are running for their lives or throwing to receivers that aren't open.
 
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Your column about development of talent was in bad taste because it will only remind recruits as to what happened in the past and possibly have a second thought. I believe Herb will develop players, and I hope we get Blake`s kids.
 

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Texas has some major decisions to make in the coming years. They are going to have decide if they want to be a Vanderbilt or do they really care about football.

In what way, shape, or form would Texas football be comparable to Vanderbilt football? That's a little bit of a stretch even for you.
 
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I hold out hope if this coaching staff does their job because the previous staff took the LSU team with all the NFL team down to the wire. I know LSU improved but they were also very lucky to escape a rash of injuries that the Horns didn't. The unknow of what this season holds is going to be very telling to this staff and Team

I agree that we were right there with LSU and could have won the game with a break or two (especially 3rd and 17). But injuries especially to Sam cost us easily 2 - 3 wins as we all know. That would have been a game changer. The Horns have to win the Big 12 or play in the championship game and win to change things recruiting wise. I think this happens with the new coaching staff and our Senior All-American Quarterback.
 
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If Ingram catches the ball and Orlando does not blitz on 3d-17. it is very likely that Texas would have won that game. Mistakes like that cost games, but that is how close we were to beating the LSU team that had five first rounders.

Only someone being intentionally unreasonable would deny that the LSU game was most definitely a winnable game.
 

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I want to make this point ...

I'm not saying that I think Burrows or Tua aren't good QBs with a reasonable chance of having successful NFL careers. What I am saying is that no position on the field benefits more on draft day from having great players all around them than the QB position. Virtually no QB (just ask Tom Brady) looks good when they are running for their lives or throwing to receivers that aren't open.
That's fair to say the least.
 

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Your column about development of talent was in bad taste because it will only remind recruits as to what happened in the past and possibly have a second thought. I believe Herb will develop players, and I hope we get Blake`s kids.
My column?
 

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but who is saying what you suggested someone was saying?
It said it on the title of the Greg Brown video, and Dustin has said it numerous times. I mean, I guess it is subjective, and though I love Greg Brown's dunking, I don't consider it Zion-level...caveat...whose is?
 

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It said it on the title of the Greg Brown video, and Dustin has said it numerous times. I mean, I guess it is subjective, and though I love Greg Brown's dunking, I don't consider it Zion-level...caveat...whose is?
It's a kissing cousin of that level.
 
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Teddy Riley's Top 10

10. Blackstreet's "Before I Let You Go"
9. Guy's "Teddy's Jam"
8. SWV's "Right Here"
7. Bobby Brown's "Every Little Step"
6. Hi-Five's "I Like The Way"
5. Wreckx-N-Effect's "Rump Shaker"
4. Keith Sweat's "I Want Her"
3. Blackstreet's "No Diggity"
2. Bobby Brown's "My Prerogative"
1. Michael Jackson's “Remember the Time”

Babyface's Top 10

10. Babyface's "When Can I see You Again"
9. Whitney Houston's "I'm Your Baby Tonight"
8. Karyn White's "Superwoman"
7. Bobby Brown's "Rock Witcha"
6. Mary J. Blige's "Not Gon' Cry"
5. Toni Braxton's “Love Shoulda Brought You Home”
4. The Whispers' "Rock Steady"
3. Tevin Campbell's "Can We Talk"
2. Bobby Brown's "Don't Be Cruel"
1. Boyz II Men's "End of the Road"

This is a tough call. "Remember The Time" is my favorite Michael Jackson song of all-time, while End of the Road is the mountaintop of mid90s R&B. Choosing between the best of Bobby Brown isn't easy. It's almost impossible to compare the two. If I want to bop in the car, I'm going with Riley, but if I'm in a slow-jam mood, give me Face.

Pound for pound when looking at each song in each Top 10, I think I have to give the edge to ... Riley

Botton line - If I could only listen to one of those lists for the rest of my life and the other list could never be listened to again, I'd take Riley's list on the desert island.
you nailed it
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I'm not sure I said the same things about Mayfield.

I for sure don't remember what you said about Mayfield, but a whole ton of people said the same about him and he did go #1 in the draft with everybody sucking his you know what. And he is finding out that it is a wee dab harder to look like a super star QB playing in the NFL for the Browns than playing for OU surrounded by vastly superior talent to most of the defenses he faced. And Burrows and Tua stand a good chance of having the same experience.
 
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I for sure don't remember what you said about Mayfield, but a whole ton of people said the same about him and he did go #1 in the draft with everybody sucking his you know what. And he is finding out that it is a wee dab harder to look like a super star QB playing in the NFL for the Browns than playing for OU surrounded by vastly superior talent to most of the defenses he faced. And Burrows and Tua stand a good chance of having the same experience.
I mean... yeah... the NFL is hard.
 

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Not that many people were into the Teddy Riley/Baby face debate. Lesson learned.
 

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@Ketchum I appreciate the * rating draft results. So, when everybody goes crazy about Bama and LSU (this year) and OSU and Clemson drafting so many players, its not about development....at all! Someone needs to highlight that 5* recruits go high in the draft no matter where they played college ball. It's just that the $EC and the other two recruiting juggernauts are recruiting more 5* and high 4* players. For example: Texas had 3 players drafted in the first 5 rounds. None of which were 5*s. Let's see how we do "%-wise" when Bijan and Ja Tavion Sanders are up for the draft. Another example, if Bama has a bunch of 5* and high 4* in the draft then of course they're gonna have high draft numbers. But I get the point that we need to develop well until we can recruit more 5*.
 

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@Ketchum I appreciate the * rating draft results. So, when everybody goes crazy about Bama and LSU (this year) and OSU and Clemson drafting so many players, its not about development....at all! Someone needs to highlight that 5* recruits go high in the draft no matter where they played college ball. It's just that the $EC and the other two recruiting juggernauts are recruiting more 5* and high 4* players. For example: Texas had 3 players drafted in the first 5 rounds. None of which were 5*s. Let's see how we do "%-wise" when Bijan and Ja Tavion Sanders are up for the draft. Another example, if Bama has a bunch of 5* and high 4* in the draft then of course they're gonna have high draft numbers. But I get the point that we need to develop well until we can recruit more 5*.
Both Duvernay and Brandon Jones were borderline five stars.
 

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Both Duvernay and Brandon Jones were borderline five stars.
Borderline? Didn't see "borderline" in your chart. ;) But even if we split hairs on that, I think my premise is still valid. Bama, etc. get more credit for draft numbers then they are due. They just recruit well and win with more 5*s....Not sure about much development. So, why should recruits give them credit for draft numbers? It's a myth imho.

But the chicken and egg (recruiting/draft pics/winning) situation still exists for Texas.
 
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Borderline? Didn't see "borderline" in your chart. ;) But even if we split hairs on that, I think my premise is still valid. Bama, etc. get more credit for draft numbers then they are due. They just recruit well and win with more 5*s....Not sure about much development. So, why should recruits give them credit for draft numbers? It's a myth imho.

But the chicken and egg (recruiting/draft pics/winning) situation still exists for Texas.
The 6.0 tier of four stares performs at incredibly higher levels than the mid and low four stars.

Sometimes it's a 2:1 outperformance.

Those two tiers are the tiers that matter in college football the most.

It's why I'm dismissive of any recruiting class that doesn't have enough of those inside a shiny national ranking.
 

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The 6.0 tier of four stares performs at incredibly higher levels than the mid and low four stars.

Sometimes it's a 2:1 outperformance.

Those two tiers are the tiers that matter in college football the most.

It's why I'm dismissive of any recruiting class that doesn't have enough of those inside a shiny national ranking.
Agreed. So the premise is still intact, just a matter of degrees.
 

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