Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Heads need to roll in Waco)
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You won't find me in disagreement. I've talked about the double standard and ridiculous nature of responses quite a bit.
Nothing specific? I'd suggest you reread, but what would be the point? More denial won't reveal anything. I wasn't "coming at" you and I'm still not. I disagreed with what you did and said. I still do. If you want a blog that is limited only to those unwilling to question you, so be it. I would have welcomed an exchange of ideas, but instead, received the above reply. Are you so sure of yourself that a contrary viewpoint is always a personal "attack"?
Well, my main issue with what's happened over the past few days is BOBA getting the boot for having a difference of opinion. I probably wouldn't have said anything at all about the rest of what's happened. Yes, the crusade is weird to me, but it's not that big of a deal outside of those who also find it weird being attacked or banned.
I don't really even care to debate the various points as I'm not trying to change your mind. I was just laying out where I and some others were coming from. I guess we'll all just see where it goes from here.
Fair points. Points I've thought about and will continue to think about as more info comes out. This story isn't over. I've said before that I reserve the right to change my mind the more I learn and think about what I've learned. We all should be open to that, I think.
Sexual assault is not acceptable. Who in the world is saying it is? The criminal justice system did its job and the guy has been convicted. None of that is at issue here. Where you and I differ are the targets of our disapproval of the sexual assault and the degree to which we take the situation personally. This case had absolutely nothing to do with me or you. Us having female family members or friends doesn't change that. Everyone in the sports world is talking about this issue, so it's not going anywhere. So, when you and your staff attempt to engage in Twitter battles with anyone that will listen, when you get overly emotional in a piece you write about the situation, when you repeatedly set yourself up as the lone voice of reason and justice when everyone else is silent, it strikes me as odd. It doesn't feel genuine to me. It feels as though you're piggybacking on a story for your own reasons. I don't know you, personally, as a man. I could be off base. I'm just telling you how it's coming across to several people.
You know what else is not acceptable? The way that the victim was treated after the fact, and how the university just wanted her to go away. THAT is why so many people want heads to roll. THAT is why I want to see heads roll. So when the next time it happens at another school (it will) that the girl is treated the way a victim should be, and not swept under the rug.
Absolutely. The Baylor administration is culpable. The leaders of that internal investigation are culpable. No doubt about it.
You don't have to agree with or even understand this point. From your vantage point, I wouldn't expect that you would.
@BreakingNews: Accused Vanderbilt rapist Brandon Banks to play football for Lane College in Jackson, Tenn - @Tennessean http://t.co/0AVZ4kXpZJ
Excellent post.
It's a symptom of a culture that approves men acting like lust-driven teenage boys perpetually. If society deemed the type of language that you mentioned unacceptable, you'd see far less of it. But within the subculture of guys hanging out "being guys", it's normal; which is a sad indictment on where we are overall. Talking about any woman as an object of sexual desire and nothing more dehumanizes her, plain and simple.
Most people have the restraint to not allow their internal thoughts to give birth to the type of horrors that lead to what we've seen in this situation with Baylor, but that is the end of that type of mentality, the same way that murder is the end game of a mind filled with thoughts of anger toward a person or persons. Most don't let it get that far, but the root is the same. Gotta fix the problem at the root if you really want it fixed.
So, I guess that's a no. You won't quote a specific passage of the article and tell me your issues. Just a bunch of generalities.
That's not much of a viewpoint at all.
And I would tell you the emails suggesting the contrary outnumber your thoughts 25:1
The point that I originally agreed with is that some, if not much, of the emotion on this message board stems from the fact it is Baylor - a traditional doormat that has landed a coach many dislike and who has knocked us around recently. Changing the venue of discussion to UT doesn't alter that - of course we'd care if something this heinous occurred at our school. Put these events at Ball State or Bowling Green or wherever, and it's not getting the emotional play found in this thread. None of that changes the fact that the rape is a horrible thing AND that Briles should not likely be coaching at Baylor going forward.
What would me copying and pasting this news make you come to the conclusion that I think it's ok?
So, who wins? Unfortunately, the herd doesn't sway me. That said, I'm happy to acknowledge that others feel differently about the situation than I do.
No it doesn't work. Chastity is a word used to describe a state whereby an individual chooses to preserve their virginity. Your use of the word is dripping with sarcasm. We're not talking about chastity but rape, which inherently is a violent, involuntary act.
I am backing Ketch's call to hold the powers at Baylor, including Briles, accountable who invited this monster onto a college campus and harbored him after an indictment for rape. If a thorough investigation finds Briles responsible for or complicit in inviting a known rapist onto campus and protecting him after another rape on the Baylor campus then he should be fired.
Man, you don't have to make me happy. That's not the thing. My beef with you directly was more related to BOBA and his dismissal. I feel the way I feel about it and you disagree. It is what it is.
My beef with the O-Bloods staff is that this crusade doesn't feel genuine to me. You hear about the accused rapist heading to Lane College? If this is a genuine crusade and you feel it's your place to comment on all of these situations, please launch a campaign against Derrick Burroughs. Make it about all of these kinds of things and not just about the rival head coach that owns that ass.
Has Derrick Burroughs been fired yet?
So what point were you trying to make? It's cut and pasted for a reason right? What message are you sending?
Then you would be wrong. He accepted this person into his org, he owns it. When I hire someone, I get them and my boss trusts me to make a good decision. If that person turns out to be a bad fit I don't get to blame my boss who is focused on other things.
When you hire someone, they don't pay you monthly to work for you. You pay them. BOBA, like the rest of us, are paying customers. And I don't know how else it has to be beaten into your brain, but he didn't do anything worth being banned. He should be let back on, or refunded his money.
Well, that certainly closes the book on things. Thanks.
Has Derrick Burroughs been fired yet?
BTW, Art Briles has a 4-3 record vs Texas in his career. Not exactly "owning that ass"....but keep preaching. Sic 'em, right?
1, I've written about the subject of sexual assault in college athletics numerous times. I wrote about Lizzy Seeberg several times. I wrote about the OU situations. I wrote about the UT situations. It doesn't feel genuine tio you because you have a natural disposition against me, personally, that creates that line of thinking.
My history certainly does not suggest that this is a fly-by situation . Honestly, it's insulting, but whatever. Honestly, I don';t expect any better from you based on previous conversations. I've received from you exactly what I would expect with your entrance to the conversation.
2. The situations at Lane College and what happened at Baylor are as different as apples and oranges. Both might be fruit, but some on, you use common sense.
3. Little bit of nuance here, but perhaps if you use some, you'll see how different the situations are.
That being said, I would not personally allow Derric Burroughs into my school and the coach/AD that are need to be asked some serious questions. If anything happens on their watch, that's their ass.
