Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Hello, 40. Hello, memories.)
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I disagree.
TVExecs look at numbers, not whether the ancillary activities create a good road trip.
It is clear that college football is not big in Cali and the Western US.
TV viewership stats confirm it along with low attendance at the stadiums.
Well, I have spoken to a number of TV execs over the last 6 years about this and they disagree with you.
Honestly, ESPN is afraid of the number that a Pac-16 would demand.
I might could see a PAC 18 working with UT, TT......OU, OSU.....KU, KSU. That would add more central time zone time slots and that Ucla, Arizona, Utah, Oregon, OU, UT, KU basketball schedule could be intense BUT only if people could stay up that late to watch it.
I would also want to keep an eye on BYU and UNLV (only if they combine to build the Raider /Rebel palace they have talked about) and option for #19and #20 if the SEC and BIG went to 20 teams.
Still would not be my first choice due to the "nobody gives a F factor" that conference gives off.
I would also want to keep an eye on BYU and UNLV (only if they combine to build the Raider /Rebel palace they have talked about) and option for #19and #20 if the SEC and BIG went to 20 teams.
Still would not be my first choice due to the "nobody gives a F factor" that conference gives off.
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Then why don't they watch now? Why is PAC last place attendance?
You think adding UT is going to jump the shark ?
The TV guys you are talking to must have different data than what I see.
That said, it is their money and they will spend it as they choose.
You are getting caught up in the Joe Fan road trip malaise.
The game is on the field....in the stadium. The bars and Sea World trips are ancillary , not the core activity.
Ketch - Sua's points are right on.
That said the TV execs feel that a Pac -16 with Texas and Oklahoma will bring the Pac 16 into the central timezone which will make the games much easier to watch on the East coast and Chicago. Is this what the TV execs feel will change the Pac 12 fortunes and make Texas and Oklahoma so valuable?
That said the TV execs feel that a Pac -16 with Texas and Oklahoma will bring the Pac 16 into the central timezone which will make the games much easier to watch on the East coast and Chicago. Is this what the TV execs feel will change the Pac 12 fortunes and make Texas and Oklahoma so valuable?
Well, I'm not sure how else to respond when everything I say seems to be slotted under the "Joe Fan road trip malaise".
I could go on about our conversations, but it feels like you wouldn't be having it, if I did.
Thanks for the birthday wish. I think a matinee is in store for me.
Did not realize all of the players were passes lol.
Thanks! ?Yeah, that makes sense now...
Ketch, I look forward to your Thoughts every Monday but this was my favorite read yet. I was about 5 years ahead of you on much of this timeline. I also worked for the UT SID and interned at a local TV station in Austin, but I gave up the dream and now, unlike you, I have to pay for my sports tickets. Congrats on sticking with it! (BTW, how great is John Bianco?)
Just on market size, UT joining the Big Ten would make that conference DOMINATE the top 10 and 15 TV markets, even more so than joining the Pac 16. But I live in the shadow of Kinnick Stadium and I'd still hate to see Texas in the Big Ten over the Pac. It's boring football and there's nothing sexy about attending away games in West Lafayette. I know, I've done it. My vote would be to join the Pac over Big Ten.
Having said all that I'd rather join the Big Ten than stay in the Big 12. Especially if we brought OU. That would immediately be superior to the overrated, top-heavy, SEC. Joining the Big Ten wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But won't Texas have to concede LHN before they join anyone else? And is there too much allegiance to the have-not schools in the Big 12 to leave?
Just on market size, UT joining the Big Ten would make that conference DOMINATE the top 10 and 15 TV markets, even more so than joining the Pac 16. But I live in the shadow of Kinnick Stadium and I'd still hate to see Texas in the Big Ten over the Pac. It's boring football and there's nothing sexy about attending away games in West Lafayette. I know, I've done it. My vote would be to join the Pac over Big Ten.
Having said all that I'd rather join the Big Ten than stay in the Big 12. Especially if we brought OU. That would immediately be superior to the overrated, top-heavy, SEC. Joining the Big Ten wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But won't Texas have to concede LHN before they join anyone else? And is there too much allegiance to the have-not schools in the Big 12 to leave?
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Ketch, you might reconsider Texas joining the Pac-12 after I turn in my first expense report following a road trip to UCLA
Happy Birthday!
Happy Birthday!
Ketch, you might reconsider Texas joining the Pac-12 after I turn in my first expense report following a road trip to UCLA
Happy Birthday!
Road trips would be sick!
\m/
You won't see me counting down the days to Lubbock ... ever?
I agree that the locales would be superior in the Pac-16 (I've been to virtually all of them, and they would make for great road trips). The demographics are also in its favor, and the tv money would be better than the Big 12. It may end up being our best option if it is the only conference that will take TT, OU, and OSU, and frankly, I think most UT fans would be quite happy.
However, the B1G pulls better ratings, has better time slots, makes more money, and has much more passionate fanbases. The locales in the B1G aren't very attractive, but the full stadiums of screaming fans make for a great gameday environment.
I think either conference would be a huge upgrade and would be fine with either one. I really think our administration is going to have a hard time picking one or the other (assuming SEC and ACC are not in play).
The Virginia game was the last game I've been to in Austin, thanks for the memories. Happy Birthday. Enjoy the kids because they will be grown up before you can say bevo 3 times.
Yeah- except for that one part. Only that one, the only one that counts as it happens...
Is there any position group Kansas doesn't rank last in the conference?
Lastly...
Most of the people I've spoken with don't view the situation through a 2016 prism, but more like a 2025 or 2030 prism.
This is about projected demographics, grow projections and live programming that never stops.
If you view that college football and athletics in general are still growing and expanding, a TV presence that expands into three times zones is of enormous value.
I view the Big 10 as cold, boring, old and stake.
Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
Everything about the conference would be sick.
This needs to happen for the students. None of them want to be in Minnesota in January. Or Des Moines ever.
Tortillas for everyone!!
First time I saw tumbleweed.... Lubbock. Realized at that point they were just really big hairballs.
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That was a fun read Geoff. The old Liscano and Noah days. I started at KEYE in January of 97...had forgotten that was the starting line of ya'll's recruiting coverage. Those were fun times at the 'ol EYE.
Aww, come on now. The Hawkeyes play in Iowa City, which is 2 hours away from Des Moines and Des Moines is actually a pretty cool burg. Des Moines is a lot like Austin in 1985 before the world realized how great it was.
Neither Iowa City nor Des Moines is anything like Ames, which is VERY College Station-esque.
Don't get me wrong, the whole state sucks in January and it's never as awesome to visit as Tempe or Palo Alto. But let's not go Iowa-bashing, we got good folks here.
(Sell) Pac-16, baby. Better media markets, better road trips and better overall platform for the Longhorns.
No doubt. Have you ever been to Minneapolis or god forbid Lafayette in November? Minneapolis is at least a great town but with unimaginably bad weather. Same applies to Madison. Nonetheless, if I have a vote we're in the PAC. We'd end up w/the AZ schools, maybe Utah, Colorado and the two LA schools. Nice academics and athletics. As you said "Better media markets, better road trips and better overall platform for the Longhorns." Let's ride!
No doubt. Have you ever been to Minneapolis or god forbid Lafayette in November? Minneapolis is at least a great town but with unimaginably bad weather. Same applies to Madison. Nonetheless, if I have a vote we're in the PAC. We'd end up w/the AZ schools, maybe Utah, Colorado and the two LA schools. Nice academics and athletics. As you said "Better media markets, better road trips and better overall platform for the Longhorns." Let's ride!
Were you there the night when Jordan hit the shot over Russell and we all screamed out while the news was going on?
The good ol' days.
BUY or SELL: The best conference fit for Texas - both academically and athletically - is the Big Ten conference?
(Sell) Pac-16, baby. Better media markets, better road trips and better overall platform for the Longhorns.
You went from talking about TV metrics and platforms to " better road trips " . That was you framing the issue , not me.
The TV execs don't pay money because the fans think it is a better road trip.....that is Joe Fan on OB posting.
Indeed, intuitively it is just the opposite: TV wants to have shitty road trips so fans will stay home and watch it on ESPN.
As I said, the TV guys know the numbers and they will spend it as they choose. Doesn't matter what you or I think. Time will tell.
Choose a fine matinee
(Sell) Pac-16, baby. Better media markets, better road trips and better overall platform for the Longhorns.
You went from talking about TV metrics and platforms to " better road trips " . That was you framing the issue , not me.
The TV execs don't pay money because the fans think it is a better road trip.....that is Joe Fan on OB posting.
Indeed, intuitively it is just the opposite: TV wants to have shitty road trips so fans will stay home and watch it on ESPN.
As I said, the TV guys know the numbers and they will spend it as they choose. Doesn't matter what you or I think. Time will tell.
Choose a fine matinee
I can't believe I posted a comment regarding Ketch's birthday that said,
"Today, El Ketcho is... Tirty tree years old!"
And nobody picked up on that Three Amigos reference? What a disappointing thread!
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