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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Herman The Whisperer...)

I'm not a fan of Jerry the GM, and there are many reasons why. There's more bad than good imo.

I'm not sure that's a matter of opinion. His first 2 GM moves, firing Landry/hiring Jimmy, were the easily the 2 best in his career. Since then it's pretty much been a mountain of errors with a few moments mixed in.
 
I say we replace "OU Sux" with "14-0". I prefer to concentrate on the Horns.
What does 14-0 signify? Because if it's an undefeated season, it would actually be 15–0: 12 regular season games, conference championship game, semi-final, and championship game. Maybe I just missed what 14-0 really stands for.
 
If he can do the same things here that he's done at Ohio State and Houston, I think he has a chance to be our next DKR."

With all due respect to DKR I believe CTH will take the program to a consistently higher level than it's ever been. And within 5-6 years I think he'll have more conference titles than Mack did in his entire career.
I can see this, especially with Stoops retiring.
 
I'm not sure that's a matter of opinion. His first 2 GM moves, firing Landry/hiring Jimmy, were the easily the 2 best in his career. Since then it's pretty much been a mountain of errors with a few moments mixed in.
You're right, it's definitely fact.

I've mentioned several times that from 1995-2002, no team drafted worse than Dallas.

When Jerry has been solely in charge of the draft, the results have often been catastrophic. Hiring Parcells immediately improved their drafting. People will always mention the DeMarcus Ware bit, but that's almost literally one example vs innumerable other instances where they passed on good players for guys that couldn't play.

When Bill left and Wade came in, the bad drafting resumed.

When he hired Garrett, who took a much greater role in the draft, along with Will McClay and Stephen Jones, who unlike his father, has a much greater sense of how to build a roster, they've mostly drafted fairly well since 2010. Jerry, while still involved, isn't solely in charge, and that's a good thing.
 
Jimmy belongs in the Ring of Honor and HOF.

If Terrell Davis can get in on 4-5 great seasons, then Jimmy should get in the HOF because in 5 seasons he turned around a 1-15 team to a team that won consecutive Super Bowls, and frankly deserves the 3rd ring as well.
I am a huge Cowboys fan but Jimmy Johnson should not be in the HOF. Just my opinion. Ego got in the way of a shoe in.
 
I am a huge Cowboys fan but Jimmy Johnson should not be in the HOF. Just my opinion. Ego got in the way of a shoe in.
Jimmy definitely played a role in their split. Both Jerry and Jimmy ruined a great thing they'd built. Jerry never has experienced the success he had with Johnson, and Jimmy didn't even come close to replicating what he did in Dallas in Miami. Both men needed each other.

As for Jimmy being in the HOF or not? I disagree, I think he should be because he was the chief architect of a building a team that won 3 superbowls. He certainly didn't do it alone, but ultimately, he hired the great staff he had and was heavily involved in their drafting. I give Jones credit too, because he gave Jimmy power to do those things when most owners wouldn't - then ego sunk both men.
 
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With less than four weeks to go until the season-opener,

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Yeah but he's in the hall of fame for contributions to the NFL (which are massive) not the hall of fame of GMs. Dallas has been much better there though over the last few years with their drafting, scouting dept and his son being heavily involved
I've read nothing but great things about Stephen Jones throughout the years. He's definitely an asset to the Cowboys. He's not as flashy as the old man, but he's very good at what he does.
 
Yeah but he's in the hall of fame for contributions to the NFL (which are massive) not the hall of fame of GMs. Dallas has been much better there though over the last few years with their drafting, scouting dept and his son being heavily

involved

I don't care. Considering the travesty he's been for the Cowboys, disqualifies him. Unforgivable when a man puts his meglomania above the welfare of the all the Cowboys.
Yes, Cowboys might have turned the corner lately, thanks in large part, to Stephen Jones.
 
The NFL is worth what it is worth and has the brand that it has because of Jones.

He literally changed the business.

speaking of NFL, in regards to your fantasy football draft I envy your 9 spot. whether its in 10 or 12 team leagues, I found the 9-12 spot has yielded more favorable teams for me. idk what draft strategy you use but I expect you'll be happy with the result as long as you don't go full potato.
 
I don't care. Considering the travesty he's been for the Cowboys, disqualifies him. Unforgivable when a man puts his meglomania above the welfare of the all the Cowboys.
Yes, Cowboys might have turned the corner lately, thanks in large part, to Stephen Jones.
Will just have to agree to disagree. Jerry is clear HOFer to me
 
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Question. If the Cowboys win a Super Bowl with Garrett as HC, who gets the credit?
 
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They're both elite players. They got to the same place in two different ways.

Durant came into the league as a near elite offensive player but a weak defensive player and worked his way to become an elite defender as well.

Leonard came into the league as a near elite defender and a weak (limited) offensive player and worked his way to become an elite offensive player as well.

And KD is better
 
No personal offense intended to anyone on this thread, but if Jones is a hall of famer, what is Clint Murchison whose teams were among the elite of the NFL for 20 years?
Less active in NFL affairs.
 
That would be a first of sorts, but I expect Stephen will be a popular choice of many to avoid giving Jerry credit. Garrett has no shot of getting credit. It'll be seen as more of a player/roster accomplishment.
 
Durant is leaps and bound better than Leonard?

Please elaborate.
Yes, he is on a different plane. Leaps and bounds? The margins are slight in these elite vs. elite discussions, but...

Durant is arguably the greatest offensive weapon in the history of the game and is a difference-maker on the defensive side of the ball and an anchor/rim protector on a historically awesome defensive team.

Leonard is one of the great defensive player of his generation and a great offensive player. He's not in the discussion for the GOAT in the capacity.
 
Yes, he is on a different plane. Leaps and bounds? The margins are slight in these elite vs. elite discussions, but...

Durant is arguably the greatest offensive weapon in the history of the game and is a difference-maker on the defensive side of the ball and an anchor/rim protector on a historically awesome defensive team.

Leonard is one of the great defensive player of his generation and a great offensive player. He's not in the discussion for the GOAT in the capacity.
That's splitting hairs to a degree, but I will say that KD was the best player in the league this year.

However, if I switch Durant with Leonard on the Warriors, the Warriors still win the title easily.

I hear what you're saying, but nobody's really putting Durant in the GOAT discussion... not yet anyway. That may change if he wins more titles.

I still believe KL will be the best player in the league in another year or two.

Leonard had to shoulder a far greater load than KD did this past year and got the Spurs to win 61 games and get them to the WCF and oh btw for two and a half quarters of game 1 was the best player on the court. Small sample size for sure, and I don't believe the Spurs win the series even if KL remained healthy, but Leonard was denied the opportunity to show he's every bit as good as KD is.

That said, I'm not taking anything away from Durant. He earned his title and cemented himself as one of the all time greats.
 
That's splitting hairs to a degree, but I will say that KD was the best player in the league this year.

However, if I switch Durant with Leonard on the Warriors, the Warriors still win the title easily.

I hear what you're saying, but nobody's really putting Durant in the GOAT discussion... not yet anyway. That may change if he wins more titles.

I still believe KL will be the best player in the league in another year or two.

Leonard had to shoulder a far greater load than KD did this past year and got the Spurs to win 61 games and get them to the WCF and oh btw for two and a half quarters of game 1 was the best player on the court. Small sample size for sure, and I don't believe the Spurs win the series even if KL remained healthy, but Leonard was denied the opportunity to show he's every bit as good as KD is.

That said, I'm not taking anything away from Durant. He earned his title and cemented himself as one of the all time greats.
You remember what it looked like when these two met in the playoffs two years ago, right?
 
You remember what it looked like when these two met in the playoffs two years ago, right?
That was two years ago. Kawhi is substantially better offensively now than he was then.

Durant got the better of the Spurs in 2016 playoffs, but the Spurs got the better of him in the 2014 playoffs. Westbrook actually gave the Spurs more problems in that 2014 series than KD did - his MVP year.

Both players (KL and KD) are monumentally better now than then.

Additionally, lest you forget, KD didn't shoot very well in those last two games vs the Warriors that the Thunder lost. His poor shooting played a part in the Thunder's inability to finish off the Warriors.

Every great player has great series and mediocre ones. Both KL and KD have had their playoffs ups and downs.

You can't cherry pick individual performances like that because they vary from series to series.
 
That was two years ago. Kawhi is substantially better offensively now than he was then.

Durant got the better of the Spurs in 2016 playoffs, but the Spurs got the better of him in the 2014 playoffs. Westbrook actually gave the Spurs more problems in that 2014 series than KD did - his MVP year.

Both players (KL and KD) are monumentally better now than then.

Additionally, lest you forget, KD didn't shoot very well in those last two games vs the Warriors that the Thunder lost. His poor shooting played a part in the Thunder's inability to finish off the Warriors.

Every great player has great series and mediocre ones. Both KL and KD have had their playoffs ups and downs.

You can't cherry pick individual performances like that because they vary from series to series.
Yes, that was a whole 15 months ago.

In the meantime, we just saw KD lift his game up to another level in the last 12 months.
 
Yes, that was a whole 15 months ago.

In the meantime, we just saw KD lift his game up to another level in the last 12 months.
As did Leonard.

He was very, very good last year 2015-16. He became elite this past year.

If you want me to say KD is better than KL, I will, but marginally so imo.

KL, to be fair isn't playing with the caliber of teammates that KD is. I don't hold that against KD, but when you have Curry and Thompson to draw coverage away from KD, where they can't really double team, then you saw that results. He was spectacular, but I think you're downplaying the leap Leonard also made this past year from all star top 10-15 player to bonafide great top 5 player - an admittedly subjective ranking, but nonetheless Leonard became a great player this past year.

KD was the best player in the league this season.
KL wasn't too far behind. That's my opinion. I'm a Spurs fan, so I admit my bias, but those are my honest evaluations. If this was the KD of today vs KL of 2-3 years ago, when he won Finals MVP, then I'd agree about KD being on a different plane.

I think they're both on that same plane today.
 
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As did Leonard.

He was very, very good last year 2015-16. He became elite this past year.

If you want me to say KD is better than KL, I will, but marginally so imo.

KL, to be fair isn't playing with the caliber of teammates that KD is. I don't hold that against KD, but when you have Curry and Thompson to draw coverage away from KD, where they can't really double team, then you saw that results. He was spectacular, but I think you're downplaying the leap Leonard also made this past year from all star top 10-15 player to bonafide great top 5 player - an admittedly subjective ranking, but nonetheless Leonard became a great player this past year.

KD was the best player in the league this season.
KL wasn't too far behind. That's my opinion. I'm a Spurs fan, so I admit my bias, but those are my honest evaluations. If this was the KD of today vs KL of 2-3 years ago, when he won Finals MVP, then I'd agree about KD being on a different plane.

I think they're both on that same plane today.
KD is headed towards a possible top 10-15 all-time type of career. He's got Bird and LeBron in front of him at his position, all-time.

Let's not pretend one thing is the same as the other.
 
KD is headed towards a possible top 10-15 all-time type of career. He's got Bird and LeBron in front of him at his position, all-time.

Let's not pretend one thing is the same as the other.
You can't pretend that KD is light years better than KL at this time. If he's better, it's not by much.
 
KD is headed towards a possible top 10-15 all-time type of career. He's got Bird and LeBron in front of him at his position, all-time.

Let's not pretend one thing is the same as the other.
The way you're comparing KD vs KL is like you liken Leonard to Rudy Gay or something, like he's just a good player only.

I know you're not saying that, but you want me to say Durant is in a tier above Leonard, and he's not imo.

I give KD the edge as the better player, but he's also been in the league about 3 years longer. KD is the superior overall scorer. No doubt. But don't underestimate where Leonard will be a couple of years.

KD is great, but right now, he's NOT on plane above Kawhi. They both have a championship and a Finals MVP, both have had great playoff series, both have had some disappointing playoff series. They're both elite players. The differences are fairly minute and whatever differences lay in additional experience and the team KD currently plays for.
 
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