Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Ignore my narcissism for a moment...)

[Ketchum]

So many streaming services, but no Fall Guy

I have the entire collection on DVD if you need to borrow it. I went on a binge about 10 years ago while in North Carolina for a few weeks.

 

[Ketchum]

Some of those qb's were so overrated it isn't funny. Case McCoy the #24 qb in the country, Connor Wood #3, Heard #6 and others too were way overrated.

I'd say Case lives up to his ranking.

 

[Ketchum]

It’s probably not an accurate memory but... I seem to remember Simms throwing it to an underneath linebacker at least once a game. Right or wrong that’s how I remember him at Texas.

Every other game.

 

[Ketchum]

But if you put a below-average qb behind a great oline you probably win more than a great qb behind a below-average oline. The great qb gets hurt behind the bad line. When we had Simms, Vince and the first few years with Colt our oline talent was stellar. The last year Colt played his ass off behind an average to below-average oline. Look how he got ragdolled in the big12 championship against Nebraska. I have never heard it mentioned, but I believe the injury in the Alabama game was probably something that was already damaged or lingering from the beating he took in the Nebraska game. Texas NEEDS coach Hand to get the most out of the talent he has on the roster and develop Angilau, Hookfin, Tyler Johnson, and all the high ranking freshman we have coming in. Get these guys drafted so we can recruit the top linemen in the state every year so that we can start to put NFL caliber offensive lines on the field.

I disagree. A great quarterback is the tide that lifts all boards.

 

[Ketchum]

Don’t sprain your shoulder with that back patting Oh Pee....

por que?

 

[Ketchum]

Gotcha, I missed that. In that case, I would go with Vic Mackey from The Shield. I know dirty cops are taboo right now, but anyone who presses a child rapists' face into an electric griddle like a grilled cheese sandwich is a badass by any definition.

I've never seen the show. That felt like a prerequisite for putting him on the list.

 

[Ketchum]

Whatabout someone from E company
Negan was crazy strong as was reedus’s Daryl character
And BA Barrackas from the A team
Amos from the expanse is certifiable
NoHo Hank and Barry are pretty strong
Optimus Prime was the OG badass, with HeMan
Dexter was a force until his writers made him fall in love with his sister
Pesky Blinders Thomas?
Ragnar from Vikings

You almost put together an entire top 10!

 

[Ketchum]

https://n.rivals.com/news/texas-sized-battle-for-top-spot-in-state-rankings

https://n.rivals.com/news/all-eyes-on-qb-at-r100-five-star-challenge

he was a five star when the first rankings came out

Perfect example of why caution is sometimes needed.

 

[Ketchum]

So @Ketchum, do you think you'll be able to objectively evaluate Ewers over the next year and a half and possibly move him up your rankings? Or are you going to cling to your current ranking to be different, regardless of what the film says (like you admitted to doing with Luck and Griffin)?

I always try to remain objective.

I change my thoughts on kids all the time.

He's just a kid and his body hasn't developed fully.

Let me break it down to you lin pictures.

This is the body of a 17-year old Jalen Milroe

I haven't seen a great recent photo of Ewers, but here he is in pads last season.

He's just not quite there from a physical standpoint IMO. That's my only hold up on five-star status and it's about timing more than anything. It's hard after all these years of making mistakes to give a five-star ranking to a quarterback unless he has special physical make-up.

My original evaluation of Ewers is that he's still at the early stages of his physical evolution. It wasn't meant as an insult. I think when I did the first LSR rankings, I ranked players that were better physical specimens ahead of him in a few cases.

 

[Ketchum]

I think you mean Gizmo

I didn't. In meant Stripe.

 

[Ketchum]

Have you ever broken down the offensive lines by recruiting rankings that played in front of VY, Colt, and Sam?

sure

 

[Ketchum]

Like I said in another thread- over time Ketch catches up and he will be in his Top 3, maybe even Number 1 by the time he has to officially grade the kid for the history books. Relax folks.

If he's THAT dude, you are almost certainly right.

 

[Ketchum]

 

[sodiumacetate]

I don't believe he was officially a five-star.

https://n.rivals.com/news/the-first-five-stars-tyrone-swoopes

 

[Uncut Degenerate]

It's amazing. One Top 50 national prospect in almost two decades.

Would you call it hubris on the part of Mack and GD? They had two different types of QB they could sell as having produced.

 

[Ketchum]

Would you call it hubris on the part of Mack and GD? They had two different types of QB they could sell as having produced.

Honestly, every year was its own story. Some bad luck, some even worse decisions and having no real plan for a few years created the situation.

 

[RLong68]

This is a list of the guys that I pegged to be mega-stars when no one else was saying it at quite the same levels.

Worst

5. Gilbert Moye - Do you even remember him? He was a three-star prospect that I loved back in 2007 and ranked No. 13 in the state. He signed with Missouri and was never heard from. Oops.

4. John Chiles - He was a baby version of Vince Young like Harold Minor was a baby-version of Michael Jordan. The kid had a ton of talent, but it was raw and developed to the point that it felt stupid to have gambled on it to the degree that I did when I ranked him No. 4 in 2007.

3. Andrew Luck - People who talk about the importance of in-person evaluations often fail to realize the confirmation bias that can develop based off of an in person opinion you've formed and clung to because ... well ... you formed it in person, which means that it must be important! I saw Luck throw on a day when he was off and ignored everything else I ever saw of him based on that opinion. Understand, I still had him rated very highly, but he should have been a hell of a lot higher than No. 17 in the state on my list.

2. Robert Griffin - See Luck. I watched Griffin in person at a state playoff game that was so cold I left at halftime. Well, Griffin played poorly in the first half and I judged him as a non-War Daddy. I saw that freaking kid in the flesh and brushed it off because it was cold and windy ... and I had an opinion in person that mattered more than all my non in-person opinions.

1. Garrett Gilbert - I rated him with Vince Young and Drew Brees. No matter that he made the NFL ... I had him on Mount Rushmore as a prospect.

Clearly there is great contradiction in what this list is supposed to include and the inclusions of Luck and Griffin. You probably should simply say these are your 5 worst evals and your 5 best evals.

 

[RLong68]

The news of true freshman wide receiver Troy Omeire tearing it up in practice last week, only to turn around and tear up one of the ACLs in his knee on Saturday was easily the worst news of the weekend on the 40 Acres.

Did you take @Anwar Richardson to the train station for that?

 

[RLong68]

... Alex Smith is a boss.

I guess. Although not sure how bright it is to return from that sort of injury when your team is Washington.

 

[RLong68]

If Ash stays healthy in 2013 and 2014, the program looks a lot different.

Hard to disagree. He was pretty damn solid as a sophomore. Real upside.

 

[RLong68]

How different?

Somewhat reasonable question. I would point out that Case McCoy's QBR that season ended up a whopping 109.3. That included an ugly 3-pick effort at home against Okie Lite loss and a QBR of 46 in Waco. Call me crazy but Ash just might have helped us be a little better that season. And Hell, Mack very well ends up staying for '14. BTW, would you have rather had an experienced talented senior in Ash for QB or Tyrone Swoopes in '14?

 

[RLong68]

Mack playing him as a true freshman as a desperation attempt was messed up.

Even more bizarre was he burned his shirt for a couple of meaningless snaps in that endless blowout against TCU in late October.

 

[Ketchum]

Clearly there is great contradiction in what this list is supposed to include and the inclusions of Luck and Griffin. You probably should simply say these are your 5 worst evals and your 5 best evals.

That's pretty much what I did.

 

[Ketchum]

Did you take @Anwar Richardson to the train station for that?

I try not to shoot my messengers. I might need an important message from them again down the road.

 

[Ketchum]

I guess. Although not sure how bright it is to return from that sort of injury when your team is Washington.

I'm not sure your point has anything to do with my comments about him. His recovery is inspirational regardless of where he plays football, no?

 

[RLong68]

That's pretty much what I did.

Yes. But that's now you described it. Based on being guys you had as "mega stars" before others then Luck and Griffin aren't on the list correct?

 

[Ketchum]

Somewhat reasonable question. I would point out that Case McCoy's QBR that season ended up a whopping 109.3. That included an ugly 3-pick effort at home against Okie Lite loss and a QBR of 46 in Waco. Call me crazy but Ash just might have helped us be a little better that season. And Hell, Mack very well ends up staying for '14. BTW, would you have rather had an experienced talented senior in Ash for QB or Tyrone Swoopes in '14?

a. He was the quarterback for that night against BYU and he was nowhere near a difference maker before departing. He was solid. I'm not sure he changes any of the losses in those seasons.

Does Ole Miss not score in the 40s? Is Ash worth 25 points against a borderline top 10 OSU?

The Baylor game is the real question mark and I can understand thinking he changes the outcome, but I'm just not sure. Mack might still lose his job.

b. Ash, clearly., I just don't know what it means.

 

[RLong68]

a. He was the quarterback for that night against BYU and he was nowhere near a difference maker before departing. He was solid. I'm not sure he changes any of the losses in those seasons.

Does Ole Miss not score in the 40s? Is Ash worth 25 points against a borderline top 10 OSU?

The Baylor game is the real question mark and I can understand thinking he changes the outcome, but I'm just not sure. Mack might still lose his job.

b. Ash, clearly., I just don't know what it means.

Are we going to ignore that 7 of those "25 points" against OSU were the result of a pick six, and 7 more came on a 1-play 21 yd TD pass immediately after another interception? Case was dogsh*t in that game. OSU didn't even have 400 yds of offense that game. Are telling me that, at a minimum, solid QB for us doesn't give us a pretty damn good shot to win that game? For whatever reason, I just don't think you have the appreciation for how things very well could have looked differently for Texas if he's healthy in '13 and '14.

 

[drunk randoke]

Larry was my dude watching that show.

 

[Anwar Richardson]

Did you take @Anwar Richardson to the train station for that?

To be fair, Jason jinxed him on Saturday by saying the injury wasn't major

 

[csbailey34]

Hey @Ketchum question, because I have no idea how to go back on OB and look for it, who(QBs) was ranked above Chance Mock ?

 

[Ketchum]

Are we going to ignore that 7 of those "25 points" against OSU were the result of a pick six, and 7 more came on a 1-play 21 yd TD pass immediately after another interception? Case was dogsh*t in that game. OSU didn't even have 400 yds of offense that game. Are telling me that, at a minimum, solid QB for us doesn't give us a pretty damn good shot to win that game? For whatever reason, I just don't think you have the appreciation for how things very well could have looked differently for Texas if he's healthy in '13 and '14.

I just don't know that David Ash playing means Texas beats Oklahoma State. I can't give a team that lost by 25 that kind of benefit of the doubt.

 

[Williamhill2034]

I'm getting some show recommendations out of this!

Show is a must watch and available currently on Netflix.

 

[Ketchum]

Hey @Ketchum question, because I have no idea how to go back on OB and look for it, who(QBs) was ranked above Chance Mock ?

Brock Berlin and Jeff Smoker.

 

[Ketchum]

To be fair, Jason jinxed him on Saturday by saying the injury wasn't major