Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (It's time for Tom Herman to end the OU domination...)
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when was the last time Texas had a starting quarterback that waited more than two years before starting?
Chance Mock. Not sure what point you are making. But I'll counter with this. Going back 20 seasons, here is the list of starting QBs I think we would all agree were no less than average to above average.
Major
Simms
VY
Colt
Ash
Buechele
Sam
For kicks and grins, if you want to add Mock, add Mock.
Six of those 8 were the sole QB signed in their class.
Now, here are some of the QBs recruited in 2-QB classes
Snead/Harris
Kinne/Chiles
Wood/Case
Brewer/Overstreet
woof.
The comparison is also pretty glaringly different when you look at the track record of QBs who red-shirted versus those that didn't. The QBs that redshirted include Major, VY, and Colt, probably the 3 best QBs we have had at Texas in the last 20 years. Mock redshirted and also played very well before being a victim of circumstance. Heard is really the only QB who redshirted, started a significant number of games, and didn't pan out.
Meanwhile, the QBs that didn't redshirt have an overwhelming horrible track record. Simms was good, Ash was just OK before flaming out with injury, and Sam has started to be good in year 2. Every other QB at Texas that didn't redshirt and started games at Texas? Just plain bad. Gilbert, Case, Swoopes, Buechele (sorry he's a good teammate but below average QB), and Snead. Am I forgetting any?
I don't know if that's a chicken or egg thing. Gilbert, Case and Swoopes were simply bad QBs. We can debate on Buechele but as for the other 3, would a 5th year REALLY made a difference. Hell, Gilbert GOT a 5th season and he still was just average at best at a non-Power 5 school. Sam didn't redshirt and right now he's projecting to be one helluva QB for us the next 2 seasons.
Good call. He's kind of a technicality, but still factual.
The greater point I would make is that in the last 30 years, it has happened essentially once (with Mock) and at no point has a player in the last 30 years kept a job with that kind of background.
We've reached an even more enhanced era of trying to set up your quarterback depth like the old days is rather naive.
I'd argue that it needs to be constant survival of the fittest, where you always error on the side of having heavy options at all times.
Walton is really no less a technicality than Mock. IMO, what happens when 2-person classes is too many of those guys will already be walking in with one foot out the door. What probably is better than a carpet-bombing of the position is a more precise targeting including an important vetting of prospects. AGain, I'm not saying there AREN'T classes where you could take 2 guys (as I said, I think 2020 could be one), but just rolling in guys only heightens frustrations because guys scrambling at the bottom are getting precious few if any practice snaps.
Not all. Certainly sounds like RoJo knows what he's walking into and at least publicly understands patience will be key and he is willing to be just that. Will he stay all 5 years? who knows. But one thing's for sure, he will have ZERO problem getting plenty of snaps this spring and my guess that alone will go a long ways to making him happy early.
what he says now and how he may feel in 12 months can be quite dramatic. Ask most of the quarterbacks that have transferred out of Texas in the last two decades.
Perhaps. But unlike Rising, RoJo stuck with Texas after this coming out season of Sam.
Of course. But if he's here 18 months from now then there's probably a real chance he isn't going anywhere for at least another 9+ months since I doubt he would pull the parachute just 6 months from Sam finishing his career and a wide open competition in the spring of '21.
It is probably more of a coincidence than anything else on the redshirt = greater success correlary, but it's hard to completely ignore. If nothing else, with Colt, his redshirt year allowed us to make a run at a championship in 2009 that would not have been possible had he played a snap in the 2005 season.
Gilbert did have a rating of 136 in his 5th year and he did get drafted, after not having a QB Rating of higher than 113 in any of his prior four years. I'd argue that Gilbert's ability to get a medical redshirt got him into the NFL.
Sorry about the subscription thing. I forgot I was subscribed to that site and when it said share I just grabbed the link without thinking about it. Also, the website will technically not allow any highlighting and copying...it just doesn't work. Anyway, I have this program that is able to copy a webpage on my screen 100 pages long just by scrolling and then an editor that will grab the text, so I was able to grab the article. Yet, I don't know if I'm supposed to paste things like that.
As a compromise, I pasted just an excerpt from the article where Coach Frentz is talking about Playoff Expansion and the Bowl Games. This is where he mentions BlowU, but not UT. He is the dean of coaches with his finger on the pulse of the game and you would hope he saw UT joining the group he mentions, yet he doesn't.
"Playoff Expansion
Since the College Football Playoff debuted in 2014, debates have raged surrounding playoff expansion. In December, Nicole Auerbach of The Athletic reported Big 12 commissioner (and former Iowa athletic director) Bob Bowlsby and Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany are interested in re-evaluating the playoff structure for future adaptations.
“First of all, I think it’s inevitable that it’s going to happen,” Ferentz said. “There’s so much clamoring for it, be it from the media, from the fans. Now we’re starting to see football decision-makers also advocate for it. To me, it’s just a matter of when it’s going to happen.
“Me personally, I’d rather go back to two. I don’t think it was that bad of a system. The argument was like, who’s (No.) 2, who’s 3? Now, everybody is complaining about who’s 5, who’s 6. The reality is ... it’s Clemson and Alabama. If you went back 10 years ago, it would be Alabama, once Alabama got through their Independence Bowl year (in 2007), then they’ve been a monster. A good chance Oklahoma is going to be in the mix. A good chance Ohio State is going to be in the mix. I personally think Georgia is the next one who is going to put a push in there. But that remains to be seen. So, really, to me, the suspense isn’t all that great. Who’s going to get in? So, I don’t know why everybody is fired up about it because you can predict who those teams are going to be. I guess I’d argue when it was two teams, it just seems like everything else: It meant a little bit more. But I’m just a guy who drives to work and drives here back and forth.”
To Ferentz, the traditional merits of college football or diversity of opinions rarely gain much-needed national exposure.
“It’s interesting, Mike and Mike (now Golic and Wingo), I know it’s a new show, but that show in that time slot is so geared toward, they don’t know anything about college football or care anything about it,” he said. “So, when they do a discussion about a college football team, it’s going to be one of those top teams and if they are going to have a coach on, it’s going to be one of those top teams or it’s going to be Notre Dame because Mike Golic went to Notre Dame. We live in Iowa. College football is important. In New Jersey, one time I was out there with Bernie (Wyatt), Barry (Alvarez) and Dan McCarney and, ‘You guys are the Iowa State Buckeyes!’ He was looking at the TigerHawk on our shirt. ‘You guys are my favorite team. You guys always cover the spread.’ That’s all they knew about college football. I cracked up. That was back in the ’80s. It’s like, ‘OK, that’s New Jersey. The Giants. Hate Philadelphia, love the Giants.’ There’s a lot of people that don’t care, so to those pro football people, it’s all about those top teams, too.
Since the College Football Playoff debuted in 2014, debates have raged surrounding playoff expansion. In December, Nicole Auerbach of The Athletic reported Big 12 commissioner (and former Iowa athletic director) Bob Bowlsby and Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany are interested in re-evaluating the playoff structure for future adaptations.
“First of all, I think it’s inevitable that it’s going to happen,” Ferentz said. “There’s so much clamoring for it, be it from the media, from the fans. Now we’re starting to see football decision-makers also advocate for it. To me, it’s just a matter of when it’s going to happen.
“Me personally, I’d rather go back to two. I don’t think it was that bad of a system. The argument was like, who’s (No.) 2, who’s 3? Now, everybody is complaining about who’s 5, who’s 6. The reality is ... it’s Clemson and Alabama. If you went back 10 years ago, it would be Alabama, once Alabama got through their Independence Bowl year (in 2007), then they’ve been a monster. A good chance Oklahoma is going to be in the mix. A good chance Ohio State is going to be in the mix. I personally think Georgia is the next one who is going to put a push in there. But that remains to be seen. So, really, to me, the suspense isn’t all that great. Who’s going to get in? So, I don’t know why everybody is fired up about it because you can predict who those teams are going to be. I guess I’d argue when it was two teams, it just seems like everything else: It meant a little bit more. But I’m just a guy who drives to work and drives here back and forth.”
To Ferentz, the traditional merits of college football or diversity of opinions rarely gain much-needed national exposure.
“It’s interesting, Mike and Mike (now Golic and Wingo), I know it’s a new show, but that show in that time slot is so geared toward, they don’t know anything about college football or care anything about it,” he said. “So, when they do a discussion about a college football team, it’s going to be one of those top teams and if they are going to have a coach on, it’s going to be one of those top teams or it’s going to be Notre Dame because Mike Golic went to Notre Dame. We live in Iowa. College football is important. In New Jersey, one time I was out there with Bernie (Wyatt), Barry (Alvarez) and Dan McCarney and, ‘You guys are the Iowa State Buckeyes!’ He was looking at the TigerHawk on our shirt. ‘You guys are my favorite team. You guys always cover the spread.’ That’s all they knew about college football. I cracked up. That was back in the ’80s. It’s like, ‘OK, that’s New Jersey. The Giants. Hate Philadelphia, love the Giants.’ There’s a lot of people that don’t care, so to those pro football people, it’s all about those top teams, too.
But I think bowl games are still special. Silly me, I thought coaching in the Rose Bowl was really so special, or the Orange Bowl, even though we weren’t in the BCS championship game. Those were pretty big games in my mind. I thought the Outback Bowl was a big game. It’s the world we live in. There’s a lot of good football being played everywhere; that’s the beauty of college football. I hate to just see us in the professional realm of things. There are only 32 teams in the NFL. They’ve got a playoff system but there’s only 32 teams. We’ve got 130 or something like that. So, to say college football is just these four teams or six teams or eight teams, it’s a little bigger story from that. Maybe if I coached at Clemson or Alabama, I’d feel very differently. I probably wouldn’t because we’d end up in the game anyway.”
I agree that Clemson is a good role model. But is Herman and our Admin willing to do the things that Dabo and Clemson's admin did to make them Bama's equal? That is the big question. I don't think Coach Ferentz sees it, even though we just took down the very Georgia he mentions as becoming one of the elite. That is what I meant when I said coach Herman has a big job ahead of him. I didn't mentione it, but so does Del Conte and Fenves. It will have to be a team effort with a common goal of greatness all around. Money will have to be spent and the school will have to compromise to help the athlete, and Herman will have to be like Dabo when he went against his traditional offensive and defensive instincts and hire two edgy and innovative coordinators: Morris and Venables.
Hook'em
exactly. Rising's mindset changed after 12 months. I think we all need to prepare ourselves for the reality that this is the world we live in.
