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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Providing answers to what has happened with recruiting...)

It's funny I was watching some video from 2004-05 last night.

Liverpool and Chelsea were in the semis of the CL and Lampard missed a sitter that cost his team a spot in the Final.

Good times.
Nice clip, bro. Lampard is greater than any Liverpool player in my lifetime. Don’t downplay a legend. You literally started watching soccer as Liverpool was ascending so this doesn’t surprise me.
 
I would not agree with this at all. Clemson had a similar class a year or two ago, was ranked low due to overall volume and how many players signed, but the average ranking of each player was very high. It’s looking more and more to me like Herman is on going light with offers in 2020 and loading up in 2021.

i am not convinced that " going light with offers in 2020" was a deliberate move, or if it was that it was wise

i lean more to ketch's excellent theory below

"It will be interesting to see if Herman simply trusted his staff's evaluations so much that he bucked his own offer history on the fly, or if this was a direct response to the combat his staff has faced with the 2020 recruiting class. It's probably a combination of both."

"Regardless, for the first time in the history of Texas football, the Longhorns are leading the way with scholarship offers instead of dragging behind in an effort to historically make an offer feel like a ticket to Willy Wonka's. The foot is on the gas, and the aggressiveness has directly created recruiting momentum that wouldn't exist without it."

that my friends is insightful stuff
 
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It stood out at the time because it was the first time they had ever offered someone during their Freshman year.

On a related note, has Quinn Ewers been offered by Texas yet? I don't think so since he hasn't yet played varsity but I think it may happen within the first few weeks of the season.
I don't believe so.

The early offer to Stone makes their pivot to Milroe even more fascinating.
 
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Nice clip, bro. Lampard is greater than any Liverpool player in my lifetime. Don’t downplay a legend. You literally started watching soccer as Liverpool was ascending so this doesn’t surprise me.
He wasn't better than Gerrard.
 
You literally started watching soccer as Liverpool was ascending so this doesn’t surprise me.
This is the type of fallacy that someone leans on when their argument doesn't hold up and they need something to grasp onto.
 
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If Texas finishes with anything less than a top 10 class, it’s an absolute failure overall. Elite programs don’t do so poorly. There are some very good prospects signed, however, if we want to compete with Bama and Clemson, then we need to sign top classes every single year.

Clemson has been outside the top 10 a handful of times the last few years
 
lol... Barcelona doesn't want any. Liverpool broke that ass in the spring.
More like Barcelona melted down and Liverpool made a historic comeback. Barcelona also signed Griezmann, De Jong, and Firpo to bolster their squad while Liverpool hasn't added anyone of consequence.
 
This is the type of fallacy that someone leans on when their argument doesn't hold up and they need something to grasp onto.
A.) He absolutely was better than Gerard.
B.) It’s the truth. Chelsea has been a better club than Liverpool in my lifetime and if you had watched soccer for more than 4 or 5 years you would know this. I’ve been a member of OBs since you started watching it and it was clear you only became a fan when Liverpool went out and hired Klopp and started turning it around. I can’t have an intelligent argument with you if you can’t recognize Lampard and Chelsea’s greatness as a historical premier league club. Liverpool is also great historically but they’re only recently consistently good in the past 20+ years
 
More like Barcelona melted down and Liverpool made a historic comeback. Barcelona also signed Griezmann, De Jong, and Firpo to bolster their squad while Liverpool hasn't added anyone of consequence.
Liverpool will simply play with Salah and Firmino this time.
 
A.) He absolutely was better than Gerard.
B.) It’s the truth. Chelsea has been a better club than Liverpool in my lifetime and if you had watched soccer for more than 4 or 5 years you would know this. I’ve been a member of OBs since you started watching it and it was clear you only became a fan when Liverpool went out and hired Klopp and started turning it around. I can’t have an intelligent argument with you if you can’t recognize Lampard and Chelsea’s greatness as a historical premier league club. Liverpool is also great historically but they’re only recently consistently good in the past 20+ years
a. G-e-r-r-a-r-d. Put some respect on that man's name by spelling it right. No one that ever played against both men in their peak would take Lampard over Gerrard.

b. Chelsea has been a better club than Liverpool as a whole for the last 20 years. Lampard was able to enjoy a lot of success because of that truth.

c. If we're going to keep it 100, my all-in interest with Liverpool started with the 2013-14 season.

d. I can't have an intelligent conversation with someone that can't spell Steven Gerrard's name correctly and generally doesn't know what he's talking about with regards to things like... details.
 
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While I agree with you, it seems like “rebuilding” juggernauts have a class pattern... 2 great classes, 1 mediocre fill in the gaps type class.... at that point, wins either catch up to recruits or the system doesn’t work...

Not sure if I’m right, just what I seem to recall...
I was thinking the same thing. Bama and Clemson blow that theory out of the water though over the last 5 years.
 
At Gerrard's peak, he was regarded as the best player in the world.

There's a reason why he was named to the World XI three times and Lampard was only named once.

There's a reason why he was named to 8 EPL Team of the Years, while Lampard was only named to three.

There's a reason why Chelsea constantly wanted to buy Gerrard.
 
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a. G-e-r-r-a-r-d. Put some respect on that man's name by spelling it right. No one that ever played against both men in their peak would take Lampard over Gerrard.

b. Chelsea has been a better club than Liverpool as a whole for the last 20 years. Lampard was able to enjoy a lot of success because of that truth.

c. If we're going to keep it 100, my all-in interest with Liverpool started with the 2013-14 season.

d. I can't have an intelligent conversation with someone that can't spell Steven Gerrard's name correctly and generally doesn't know what he's talking about with regards to things like... details.
That’s an interesting take bc you’ve provided zero details outside of a name spelling. Should I point out the spelling errors in OB articles as reasoning for my arguments - no. That’s dumb. Gerrard had a boot, but nobody, club or country would rather play with Gerrard over Lamps on the field. Just...don’t. What did Gerrard accomplish club or country? Details. Lampard won 3 premier titles, a uefa title and many others. He’s the leading goal scoring midfielder in Chelsea and premier league history and widely considered as one of the best midfielders of our time. He was THE leader of Chelsea during their run. Put some actual respect on that.
 
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That’s an interesting take bc you’ve provided zero details outside of a name spelling. Should I point out the spelling errors in OB articles as reasoning for my arguments - no. That’s dumb. Gerrard had a boot, but nobody, club or country would rather play with Gerrard over Lamps on the field. Just...don’t. What did Gerrard accomplish club or country? Details. Lampard won 3 premier titles, a uefa title and many others. He’s the leading goal scoring midfielder in Chelsea and premier league history and widely considered as one of the best midfielders of our time. He was THE leader of Chelsea during their run. Put some actual respect on that.
You just glossed over all of it because it's the only thing you have to lean on.

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It must be so frustrating to follow the sport for so long and to constantly get your ass handed to you by a newbie.
 
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God your argument is awful. PFA Team of the Year lol. Yes you’re a newbie and it shows.
 
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God your argument is awful. PFA Team of the Year lol. Yes you’re a newbie and it shows.
One guy was essentially an All-Pro 8 times and the other was All-Pro 3 times.

Lampard will go down with better numbers and he definitely won more trophies.

Yet, there was never a day in his life when he was a better player than Steven Gerrard.

One was a guy that could carry a team to a Champions League title and the other was a guy that was good for going along for the ride on a Champions League Title Team.
 
At Gerrard's peak, he was regarded as the best player in the world.

There's a reason why he was named to the World XI three times and Lampard was only named once.

There's a reason why he was named to 8 EPL Team of the Years, while Lampard was only named to three.

There's a reason why Chelsea constantly wanted to buy Gerrard.
When was Gerrard’s Peak exactly?? It’s hard to tell because he never actually WON anything club or country. Did he win Balon d’Or?
 
When was Gerrard’s Peak exactly?? It’s hard to tell because he never actually WON anything club or country. Did he win Balon d’Or?
FIFPro would probably say from 2007-09.

That's when Gerrard made their world XI three times. Lampard made it once.
 
Perhaps, but you're someone incapable of out-debating me and it shows.
K. Good day. Lamps vs Gerrard, the debate that never ends. One player who won championships, the other who won popularity contests.
 
K. Good day. Lamps vs Gerrard, the debate that never ends. One player who won championships, the other who won popularity contests.
lulz. Giving up was always going to be your only resort.
 
He was in high school.
And therein lies some of the problem with amateur evaluators across the recruiting sites. Very few, if any, have a background in scouting. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to identify the super studs but at the lower level it takes more scrutiny in terms of fit, system and projection. There's no accountability for missed or exceptional evaluations which is something I have always thought should be factored into the analysts ranking weight. We hear about these round tables meetings and certain publishers going to bat for guys, how about some more transparency in that respect from a national level? Obviously that problem doesn't exist with you because you put your rankings, are open to criticism and often re-rank your lists. Most of all, you're honest about your opinions on whether or not you've truly evaluated a kid.
 
And therein lies some of the problem with amateur evaluators across the recruiting sites. Very few, if any, have a background in scouting. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to identify the super studs but at the lower level it takes more scrutiny in terms of fit, system and projection. There's no accountability for missed or exceptional evaluations which is something I have always thought should be factored into the analysts ranking weight. We hear about these round tables meetings and certain publishers going to bat for guys, how about some more transparency in that respect from a national level? Obviously that problem doesn't exist with you because you put your rankings, are open to criticism and often re-rank your lists. Most of all, you're honest about your opinions on whether or not you've truly evaluated a kid.
I think there's as much success with the amateurs as the pros, weirdly.
 

Wow that article ... the list of receivers noted in that article from August of 2012 was underwhelming ...
Hales - left the team
Cayleb Jones - transferred to Arizona
Kendall Sanders - dismissed
Marcus Johnson - won a Super Bowl with the Eagles (thanks, Wikipedia)
D.J. Monroe - the original "why can't we get him more touches" guy
Daje Johnson - the next DJ Monroe
John Harris - outstanding senior season

Course that 2012 team had Mike Davis, Jaxon Shipley and Marquise Goodwin.
 
Wow that article ... the list of receivers noted in that article from August of 2012 was underwhelming ...
Hales - left the team
Cayleb Jones - transferred to Arizona
Kendall Sanders - dismissed
Marcus Johnson - won a Super Bowl with the Eagles (thanks, Wikipedia)
D.J. Monroe - the original "why can't we get him more touches" guy
Daje Johnson - the next DJ Monroe
John Harris - outstanding senior season

Course that 2012 team had Mike Davis, Jaxon Shipley and Marquise Goodwin.
Soooooo much talent... soooooo little to come of it.
 
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lulz. Giving up was always going to be your only resort.
You’re such a troll. Their accolades don’t even compare. I’ll run circles around you on and off the field in soccer so don’t try me with this PFA Gerrard was the best player in the world that never was BS. You should honestly try kicking a ball before you try to present opinions.
 
... Draymond Green got his money. Go ahead and put me down in the camp of those that believe that contract will feel ugly by the end of the fourth year. His decline is already under way.
I'd bet money on this
 
That's typically a very fair baseline IMO.
2005 Texas recruiting class was not ranked top 10 but it led to the 2008 season. I am sure an outlier and not the norm but damn was the hit rate high in that class.
 
You’re such a troll. Their accolades don’t even compare. I’ll run circles around you on and off the field in soccer so don’t try me with this PFA Gerrard was the best player in the world that never was BS. You should honestly try kicking a ball before you try to present opinions.
Just to be clear... which player made Team of the Year in the EPL on eight different occasions and which one made it three times?
 
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