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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (Stop being Fredo, start being Michael)

Very optimistic. Just looking at the schedule at a glance I do not see us beating either of the land thief schools, K-State there, nor Iowa State. That's 5 losses without going any further
That was the response after Maryland in 2018. I held tight after that disaster as well.
 
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FReedom Bowl is a fairly famous result in the history of the program

But the blown national title 11 months earlier isn't? That's an odd statement. Rest assured if you poll OB and ask which of the 2 bowl games was the most disappointing literally NOBODY but @Ketchum would answer "Freedom Bowl."
 
33 years? At best that's the LONG end of what's normally considered the "generational range." Pretty much a generation is in the 20-30 range. For sure, 25 years is considered a generation.
You're right. I just looked it up. Not sure where I learned 33 years, but it stuck in my head for a long time.
 
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But the blown national title 11 months earlier isn't? That's an odd statement. Rest assured if you poll OB and ask which of the 2 bowl games was the most disappointing literally NOBODY but @Ketchum would answer "Freedom Bowl."
I just wasn't around for that game, as explained.

The 1984 season is when I really started paying attention to college football. I remember the Iowa game at the age of 8.

I just don't remember the UGA game.

Part of what made the Freedom Bowl so un-special was the slew of gams that led to it, especially the loss to Baylor in Waco and the A&M game that followed.

The 1984 game in Waco was my first Texas game.
 
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I just wasn't around for that game, as explained.

The 1984 season is when I really started paying attention to college football. I remember the Iowa game at the age of 8.

I just don't remember the UGA game.

Part of what made the Freedom Bowl so un-special was the slew of gams that led to it, especially the loss to Baylor in Waco and the A&M game that followed.

The 1984 game in Waco was my first Texas game.

To be fair, it is your poll. Just providing some perspective. Ironically enough, the leadup to the Freedom Bowl you allude to is precisely why most don't even sweat the game 36 years later. But that '84 Cotton Bowl, quite honestly, was more heartbreaking than the 'Bama. The game was ours and in one fail swoop it ended. Besides the fact it was a sh*tty overall performance by us, at least if we win it then nobody would have cared for the lack of aesthetic appeal. But obviously we didn't.
 
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To be fair, it is your poll. Just providing some perspective. Ironically enough, the leadup to the Freedom Bowl you allude to is precisely why most don't even sweat the game 36 years later. But that '84 Cotton Bowl, quite honestly, was more heartbreaking than the 'Bama. The game was ours and in one fail swoop it ended. Besides the fact it was a sh*tty overall performance by us, at least if we win it then nobody would have cared for the lack of aesthetic appeal. But obviously we didn't.
Explain the pain that kicks in about six hours later that night when Nebraska loses.
 
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What the hell is there to say at this point?

I've already written a big picture piece on the game and followed it up with some thoughts on the state of the climate inside Texas athletics as a whole. @Anwar Richardson put a cherry on top of the sundae with a Sunday Pulpit focus on Tom Herman's political capital with the Texas fan base, which included this doozy of a line.

"Let us keep it real. Meyer is a proven winner, and if the cost of becoming a championship program means partnering with Freedom Bail Bonds, some fans are willing to rationalize the pros of players performing community service."

THAT... ladies and gentlemen, is where we are.

You've got a coach that hasn't remotely proven that he's ready for a job that pays him $6 million per year (and growing). You've got a team full of very average football players. You've got a large portion of the fan base that largely carries an assortment of resentments towards everyone and everything in the program. You've got an athletic director desperately wishing the idea of giving his $6 million coach an extension after a pretty good second season had a re-do button. You've got an ongoing pandemic that has created all kinds of real (and potentially more) financial issues.

You got all of that?

What we're left with is a team that is probably headed into a lot of 50-50 games in a league that might end up rewarding someone that plays at 70-30 for the season with a spot in its championship game.

I suppose that the best news from a pure footballing standpoint is that Texas will head to Dallas this week to face an Oklahoma team that looks more like UT than it does the teams that have won five straight Big 12 titles. Neither of these teams appear capable of bashing the other upside the head with a 60-something to 20-something type of beatdown and for that, I simply say, "Thank you." If there was going to be a team capable of delivering that type of blow to the other, it wouldn't be the one traveling from Austin this week.

A call for reason will start to hit the streets beginning on Monday. Herman will say stuff. Everyone's confirmation bias will kick in to some degree and a little bit of hope might eventually exist going into the weekend. Whatever happens next almost won't matter because win or lose the Oklahoma game, the very following game and the one after and the one after begins the continued stretch of coin-flips that feel more like a two-chamber game of Russian roulette.

This team has to make significant progress in almost every area of the game and only the most naive could hope that all of the sloppiness, confusion and malfunctioning will dissolve in a week. It's year four of Herman and there's not a thing he can say that's going to make us swallow the notion that our eyes and brains are wrong.

All we can do is wait, watch and evaluate from as high up from the fray as possible. Texas is mostly in this mess because the current athletic director made a decision from the ground when every important decision needs to be made from 30,000 feet up. That's not revisionist history. That warning existed in the minutes after the press release announcing Herman's extension was released.

Moving forward, the burnt orange world needs to start making decisions/operating like elite decision-makers instead of (insert whatever metaphor you want to use) that has created this situation.

In the coming weeks and months, in what might be a moment in time that defines the next generation of football around these parts, Texas decision makers (Yes, I'm looking straight at you, Mr. Del Conte) need to be more Michael and less Fredo.

Honestly, we've all had it up to here with the constant Fredo act. Everyone in the athletic department, from the players to the coaches to the athletic director need to prove that this isn't all too much for them because at the moment it certainly feels like it is.

No. 2 - A loud declaration ...

Speaking of today's Sunday Pulpit, I wanted to respond to something that Anwar said because I think it sets up a critical point inside of a world full of them.

"It is easy to lose fan support when the 3-star general, Gary Patterson, annually beats highly ranked prospects at Texas. In 2018, and 2019, Texas finished with the nation's fourth-best recruiting class, according to Rivals. Patterson's 2018 class was ranked 28th. His 2019 class was ranked 29th. I appreciate research that proves the more 5-stars a team has, the more likely those players are to turn pro. However, I will continually ask how many 5-stars does Texas need to defeat TCU or Oklahoma State consistently?"

I think the single biggest point I will continue to attempt to hammer home that I clearly haven't done a good enough job of to date is that it's not about how much five stars or high four stars matter, as much as it's how little the star and recruiting rankings matter once you get beyond the very elite prospects in recruiting (about the top 65-70 each year). The data that I've been combing through for this entire decade screams that the No. 150 player in the country has more in common with the No. 750 player in the country than he does someone that is a mere 75 spots higher.

What does it mean? It means that in reality, the Texas and TCU rosters are much closer together in talent than anyone that follows recruiting would ever dream.

Texas has a total of nine "elite" prospects on the roster based on the Rivals rankings, which is important because we're learning the values of those rankings in a myriad of capacities. TCU actually has the same number of five-stars in the program (2) as Texas. However, TCU doesn't have any high four-star prospects on its roster, which means Texas has a 9-2 advantage on paper, mostly at the wide receiver and defensive back positions.

The other 70+ scholarship players on the Texas roster and the 80+ scholarship players on the TCU roster are more alike than not because those dozens of low four stars on the Texas roster have a minimal statistical advantage in terms of historical development when compared to those three stars. If one thing fails 85 percent of the time and another things fails 90 percent of the time, are we really going to split hairs over that 5 percent? As I've said countless times over the last few years, a top-10 class in recruiting is much closer to a top-25 class in recruiting than it is a top-5 class more times than not because of the lack of highest end prospects that turn top-10 classes into top-5 classes.

The biggest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that there's any real tangible difference between a regular ol' four-star prospect and a three-star prospect. Whatever advantage exists can be mitigated by great coaching and development with relative ease.

Onward with my crusade, I go!

No. 3 - Here's my biggest concern about the offense going into the OU game ...

I have no idea what the identity of this team is beyond asking Sam Ehlinger to do everything.

Whether we're talking about the running backs or receivers, I don't know who should be playing or if anyone should truly be getting more snaps over anyone else.

The team's go-to-plays? It's bread and butter?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Seriously, my brain is still scrambled from the realization that almost all of the players that carried the passing game in Lubbock were afterthoughts the very next week. It means I don't know who Ehlinger is supposed to count on going into Saturday's game. I just know that I like the offense a lot more when Jake Smith isn't the dominant target monster in the passing game.

No. 4 - About the officiating ...

I don't know what you guys expect at this point because it feels like every year there are at least a couple of Texas games that turn into absolute refereeing shit shows.

Too many times, Big 12 officials have seemingly made the games about them and nothing ever changes and now we're in a world where these crews are makeshift because of the Rona? What the hell does anyone expect?

More than anything, I'm warning you that with seven games to go, this is almost certainly not the last time I use a section on the horrible nature of Big 12 officiating.

No. 5 - The Big Five ...

Below are my top five Texas players from Saturday's loss.

5. Caden Sterns - I've been rough on Sterns over the last 13 months or so, but I thought he quietly was pretty good against the Horned Frogs. Not great. I just have a lack of top five options this week.

4. Jared Wiley - No offense to Cade Brewer, but I'd like to see all of the targets in the passing game to the tight end go through Wiley. Kidding. Kind of.

3. Sam Ehlinger - He needs more help from his teammates.

2. Keondre Coburn - Saturday might have been the best performance of his career.

1. Joseph Ossai - Seven more like that and he'll be the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year and headed for the NFL.

No. 6 - One Super Positive Thing From the Weekend ...

Everman tight end Juan Davis is one of the more curious offers I've seen Tom Herman make in his Texas career because while Davis looks like a million bucks as a physical specimen, I can't tell you that I've ever thought he's that great at football.

Don't get me wrong. I can see that he's dripping wet with physical tools. I'm just saying that going into his junior season he hasn't been dripping wet on the field from making a bunch of plays.

Until Friday night. Check this out.





I just have one thing to say...
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No. 7 – BUY or SELL …


Oh boy. Is this the way it's going to be?


Yup, this is the way it's going to be.


Here we go.


(Sell) It has to happen on accident like in 1994 at some point, right?


(Sell) Both sides needed the break. It's on Texas that he made more from his break than Texas was able to.


(Sell) I'm still sticking with 7-3. I'm not one of you that had this team going 8-2, 9-1 or 10-0, so I'm staying firm. For now.


(Buy) Like with Charlie Strong, there's only one real constant.


(Sell) Even Charlie put 90,000 in the stands.


(Sell) That's not really among my biggest concerns with Herman. I'm more concerned that he just doesn't know what he's doing.


(Sell) I stood on the sidelines for the 1995 game. Howard vs. John. Ends in a tie.


(Sell) I've been thinking about what would happen if the Dallas Cowboys and the Houston Texans had a baby ...


(Buy) I feel like you can see that coming a mile away.


(Sell) Who is we?


(Sell) That's hard core, man.


(Sell) Nothing feels impossible in 2020.


(Buy) You know it. It did for Charlie.

No. 8 - Scattershooting on the world of sports ...

... Texas A&M is in worse shape than Texas. Jimbo is just cashing paychecks.

... I suppose it could be worse for Texas, Will Muschamp could be running the program. Man, it has just never happened for him as a head coach.

... Props to Mack.

... Oklahoma State is getting better it seems. Imagine that ... improvement from week one to week two to week three.

... It feels like Oklahoma and Texas both need to go to Oz and shop for the same things - a heart, a brain and some courage.

... Shane Buechele is playing very well. Good for him. Is he going to play on Sundays?

... I said it last week and I'll say it again this week - not a single program from the state of Texas offered Kansas State running back Deuce Vaughn.

... The Dallas Cowboys and the Texas Longhorns feel like the same thing.

... Bill O'Brien isn't making it through October, right?

... About LeBron James...


... I found this stat on the MLB baseball playoffs to be quite something. I don't think I realized just how often one of these three outcomes occurs.


... I'll let this Tweet kind of speak for itself.


... My Premier League thoughts in two words. ************* ****.

No. 9 - The List: Top 10 Most Depressing Texas Losses ...

Let's just turn this into a therapy session and talk out loud about all the quiet things we keep to ourselves.

I can only really speak from the 1984 season on as something of an expert of living through all of these games in some sort of first-person experience. If I'm leaving a game out, say it out loud and join me in this therapy session. I know the 1984 Cotton Bowl has to be on a few lists.

Also, I don't mean automatically the worst losses as much as I'm talking about the ones that left you the most deflated in your soul.

10T. 2015 at TCU
10T. 2003 vs. Oklahoma
9. 1988 vs. Houston
8. 1991 vs. Miami (Cotton Bowl)
7. 1997 vs. UCLA
6. 1994 at Rice
5. 1989 vs. Baylor
4. 1984 vs. Iowa (Freedom Bowl)
3. 2001 Colorado (Big 12 Championship)
2. 2008 at Texas Tech
1. 2010 Alabama (National Championship)

No.10 - And finally...

Time to get my Ted Lasso on. The reviews have been too good and I need a smile.

Only one truth... Herman sucks! Worst part, he has no clue just how bad he is.
 
I'm much older than the average fan here so the losses that cost us National Championships like Alabama in 2009 and Georgia in 1984 would definitely be on my list. I'd add the loss to TCU in 1961 and Arkansas in 1964 which cost us Nattys too.
 
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Explain the pain that kicks in about six hours later that night when Nebraska loses.
It was shock and pain at the same time! No one expected Nebraska to lose. Leaving the Cotton Bowl that day most fans didn’t realize we had actually blown the national title. It was still a crushing loss though because we knew any chance was gone.
 
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I'm much older than the average fan here so the losses that cost us National Championships like Alabama in 2009 and Georgia in 1984 would definitely be on my list. I'd add the loss to TCU in 1961 and Arkansas in 1964 which cost us Nattys too.
The 64 Arkansas game is a good call.
 
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What the hell is there to say at this point?

I've already written a big picture piece on the game and followed it up with some thoughts on the state of the climate inside Texas athletics as a whole. @Anwar Richardson put a cherry on top of the sundae with a Sunday Pulpit focus on Tom Herman's political capital with the Texas fan base, which included this doozy of a line.

"Let us keep it real. Meyer is a proven winner, and if the cost of becoming a championship program means partnering with Freedom Bail Bonds, some fans are willing to rationalize the pros of players performing community service."

THAT... ladies and gentlemen, is where we are.

You've got a coach that hasn't remotely proven that he's ready for a job that pays him $6 million per year (and growing). You've got a team full of very average football players. You've got a large portion of the fan base that largely carries an assortment of resentments towards everyone and everything in the program. You've got an athletic director desperately wishing the idea of giving his $6 million coach an extension after a pretty good second season had a re-do button. You've got an ongoing pandemic that has created all kinds of real (and potentially more) financial issues.

You got all of that?

What we're left with is a team that is probably headed into a lot of 50-50 games in a league that might end up rewarding someone that plays at 70-30 for the season with a spot in its championship game.

I suppose that the best news from a pure footballing standpoint is that Texas will head to Dallas this week to face an Oklahoma team that looks more like UT than it does the teams that have won five straight Big 12 titles. Neither of these teams appear capable of bashing the other upside the head with a 60-something to 20-something type of beatdown and for that, I simply say, "Thank you." If there was going to be a team capable of delivering that type of blow to the other, it wouldn't be the one traveling from Austin this week.

A call for reason will start to hit the streets beginning on Monday. Herman will say stuff. Everyone's confirmation bias will kick in to some degree and a little bit of hope might eventually exist going into the weekend. Whatever happens next almost won't matter because win or lose the Oklahoma game, the very following game and the one after and the one after begins the continued stretch of coin-flips that feel more like a two-chamber game of Russian roulette.

This team has to make significant progress in almost every area of the game and only the most naive could hope that all of the sloppiness, confusion and malfunctioning will dissolve in a week. It's year four of Herman and there's not a thing he can say that's going to make us swallow the notion that our eyes and brains are wrong.

All we can do is wait, watch and evaluate from as high up from the fray as possible. Texas is mostly in this mess because the current athletic director made a decision from the ground when every important decision needs to be made from 30,000 feet up. That's not revisionist history. That warning existed in the minutes after the press release announcing Herman's extension was released.

Moving forward, the burnt orange world needs to start making decisions/operating like elite decision-makers instead of (insert whatever metaphor you want to use) that has created this situation.

In the coming weeks and months, in what might be a moment in time that defines the next generation of football around these parts, Texas decision makers (Yes, I'm looking straight at you, Mr. Del Conte) need to be more Michael and less Fredo.

Honestly, we've all had it up to here with the constant Fredo act. Everyone in the athletic department, from the players to the coaches to the athletic director need to prove that this isn't all too much for them because at the moment it certainly feels like it is.

No. 2 - A loud declaration ...

Speaking of today's Sunday Pulpit, I wanted to respond to something that Anwar said because I think it sets up a critical point inside of a world full of them.

"It is easy to lose fan support when the 3-star general, Gary Patterson, annually beats highly ranked prospects at Texas. In 2018, and 2019, Texas finished with the nation's fourth-best recruiting class, according to Rivals. Patterson's 2018 class was ranked 28th. His 2019 class was ranked 29th. I appreciate research that proves the more 5-stars a team has, the more likely those players are to turn pro. However, I will continually ask how many 5-stars does Texas need to defeat TCU or Oklahoma State consistently?"

I think the single biggest point I will continue to attempt to hammer home that I clearly haven't done a good enough job of to date is that it's not about how much five stars or high four stars matter, as much as it's how little the star and recruiting rankings matter once you get beyond the very elite prospects in recruiting (about the top 65-70 each year). The data that I've been combing through for this entire decade screams that the No. 150 player in the country has more in common with the No. 750 player in the country than he does someone that is a mere 75 spots higher.

What does it mean? It means that in reality, the Texas and TCU rosters are much closer together in talent than anyone that follows recruiting would ever dream.

Texas has a total of nine "elite" prospects on the roster based on the Rivals rankings, which is important because we're learning the values of those rankings in a myriad of capacities. TCU actually has the same number of five-stars in the program (2) as Texas. However, TCU doesn't have any high four-star prospects on its roster, which means Texas has a 9-2 advantage on paper, mostly at the wide receiver and defensive back positions.

The other 70+ scholarship players on the Texas roster and the 80+ scholarship players on the TCU roster are more alike than not because those dozens of low four stars on the Texas roster have a minimal statistical advantage in terms of historical development when compared to those three stars. If one thing fails 85 percent of the time and another things fails 90 percent of the time, are we really going to split hairs over that 5 percent? As I've said countless times over the last few years, a top-10 class in recruiting is much closer to a top-25 class in recruiting than it is a top-5 class more times than not because of the lack of highest end prospects that turn top-10 classes into top-5 classes.

The biggest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that there's any real tangible difference between a regular ol' four-star prospect and a three-star prospect. Whatever advantage exists can be mitigated by great coaching and development with relative ease.

Onward with my crusade, I go!

No. 3 - Here's my biggest concern about the offense going into the OU game ...

I have no idea what the identity of this team is beyond asking Sam Ehlinger to do everything.

Whether we're talking about the running backs or receivers, I don't know who should be playing or if anyone should truly be getting more snaps over anyone else.

The team's go-to-plays? It's bread and butter?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Seriously, my brain is still scrambled from the realization that almost all of the players that carried the passing game in Lubbock were afterthoughts the very next week. It means I don't know who Ehlinger is supposed to count on going into Saturday's game. I just know that I like the offense a lot more when Jake Smith isn't the dominant target monster in the passing game.

No. 4 - About the officiating ...

I don't know what you guys expect at this point because it feels like every year there are at least a couple of Texas games that turn into absolute refereeing shit shows.

Too many times, Big 12 officials have seemingly made the games about them and nothing ever changes and now we're in a world where these crews are makeshift because of the Rona? What the hell does anyone expect?

More than anything, I'm warning you that with seven games to go, this is almost certainly not the last time I use a section on the horrible nature of Big 12 officiating.

No. 5 - The Big Five ...

Below are my top five Texas players from Saturday's loss.

5. Caden Sterns - I've been rough on Sterns over the last 13 months or so, but I thought he quietly was pretty good against the Horned Frogs. Not great. I just have a lack of top five options this week.

4. Jared Wiley - No offense to Cade Brewer, but I'd like to see all of the targets in the passing game to the tight end go through Wiley. Kidding. Kind of.

3. Sam Ehlinger - He needs more help from his teammates.

2. Keondre Coburn - Saturday might have been the best performance of his career.

1. Joseph Ossai - Seven more like that and he'll be the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year and headed for the NFL.

No. 6 - One Super Positive Thing From the Weekend ...

Everman tight end Juan Davis is one of the more curious offers I've seen Tom Herman make in his Texas career because while Davis looks like a million bucks as a physical specimen, I can't tell you that I've ever thought he's that great at football.

Don't get me wrong. I can see that he's dripping wet with physical tools. I'm just saying that going into his junior season he hasn't been dripping wet on the field from making a bunch of plays.

Until Friday night. Check this out.





I just have one thing to say...
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No. 7 – BUY or SELL …


Oh boy. Is this the way it's going to be?


Yup, this is the way it's going to be.


Here we go.


(Sell) It has to happen on accident like in 1994 at some point, right?


(Sell) Both sides needed the break. It's on Texas that he made more from his break than Texas was able to.


(Sell) I'm still sticking with 7-3. I'm not one of you that had this team going 8-2, 9-1 or 10-0, so I'm staying firm. For now.


(Buy) Like with Charlie Strong, there's only one real constant.


(Sell) Even Charlie put 90,000 in the stands.


(Sell) That's not really among my biggest concerns with Herman. I'm more concerned that he just doesn't know what he's doing.


(Sell) I stood on the sidelines for the 1995 game. Howard vs. John. Ends in a tie.


(Sell) I've been thinking about what would happen if the Dallas Cowboys and the Houston Texans had a baby ...


(Buy) I feel like you can see that coming a mile away.


(Sell) Who is we?


(Sell) That's hard core, man.


(Sell) Nothing feels impossible in 2020.


(Buy) You know it. It did for Charlie.

No. 8 - Scattershooting on the world of sports ...

... Texas A&M is in worse shape than Texas. Jimbo is just cashing paychecks.

... I suppose it could be worse for Texas, Will Muschamp could be running the program. Man, it has just never happened for him as a head coach.

... Props to Mack.

... Oklahoma State is getting better it seems. Imagine that ... improvement from week one to week two to week three.

... It feels like Oklahoma and Texas both need to go to Oz and shop for the same things - a heart, a brain and some courage.

... Shane Buechele is playing very well. Good for him. Is he going to play on Sundays?

... I said it last week and I'll say it again this week - not a single program from the state of Texas offered Kansas State running back Deuce Vaughn.

... The Dallas Cowboys and the Texas Longhorns feel like the same thing.

... Bill O'Brien isn't making it through October, right?

... About LeBron James...


... I found this stat on the MLB baseball playoffs to be quite something. I don't think I realized just how often one of these three outcomes occurs.


... I'll let this Tweet kind of speak for itself.


... My Premier League thoughts in two words. ************* ****.

No. 9 - The List: Top 10 Most Depressing Texas Losses ...

Let's just turn this into a therapy session and talk out loud about all the quiet things we keep to ourselves.

I can only really speak from the 1984 season on as something of an expert of living through all of these games in some sort of first-person experience. If I'm leaving a game out, say it out loud and join me in this therapy session. I know the 1984 Cotton Bowl has to be on a few lists.

Also, I don't mean automatically the worst losses as much as I'm talking about the ones that left you the most deflated in your soul.

10T. 2015 at TCU
10T. 2003 vs. Oklahoma
9. 1988 vs. Houston
8. 1991 vs. Miami (Cotton Bowl)
7. 1997 vs. UCLA
6. 1994 at Rice
5. 1989 vs. Baylor
4. 1984 vs. Iowa (Freedom Bowl)
3. 2001 Colorado (Big 12 Championship)
2. 2008 at Texas Tech
1. 2010 Alabama (National Championship)

No.10 - And finally...

Time to get my Ted Lasso on. The reviews have been too good and I need a smile.

Just my worthless four cents...for the "coaches". How about stay off social media? Stop posting your stupid little videos, or your stupid little shhhh emojis, and learn to freaking develop your freaking talent!!!!!!!!!!!!! Orrrrrrr, maybe, just maybe, teach your players to be more disciplined. And if that doesn't work, just play Bama games for them to watch...maybe the coaches pay attention at that point as well. Just pathetic.
 
We're not talking about the 87 Bluebonnet Bowl 30+ years later.

Well for one, we won that game. Besides that, who besides you is talking the '84 Freedom Bowl as some awesome gut punch?
 
Well for one, we won that game. Besides that, who besides you is talking the '84 Freedom Bowl as some awesome gut punch?
I suppose I talk about all kinds of shit that other people don't. I still talk about 1989 Baylor as well.
 
I'm much older than the average fan here so the losses that cost us National Championships like Alabama in 2009 and Georgia in 1984 would definitely be on my list. I'd add the loss to TCU in 1961 and Arkansas in 1964 which cost us Nattys too.

Love your avatar photo. It's framed in my den with this James Street quote....."He had that line, you know, about "dance with who brung you". When all is said and done, he was the one who brung us." Hello Tom
 
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Good stuff, Ketch.

In year four, I find it amazing that our Mensa coach, who was heralded as an offensive guru, has a team with seemingly no offensive identity. It's as though he puts five game plans in a hat and randomly selects what he wants the team to do on a given Saturday - simply unacceptable in year four. Add his inability to recruit at even a marginally adequate level on the offensive and defensive lines and you have a recipe for disaster. Tommy Boy is stealing money at this point.
 
I can't quarrel with your list, but the 6-0 loss to TCU in 1961 and 14-13 loss to Arkansas in 1964 are at the top of my list. Those losses cost Royal 2 more national championships. Sports Illustrated labeled the TCU loss the biggest upset in college football history. The loss to Bama in 2010 was brutal on many levels, particularly my pocket book. The price I paid to watch a high school QB play after McCoy got knocked out was ridiculous. McCoy would have won that game. The play call to have him charge into the line was so stupid, followed by the dumb shovel pass at the end of the half. The loss to Georgia that cost Texas another national title was awful. My sons still joke about the things I broke when that punt was fumbled. I had just landed in Singapore when I found out about Texas losing to Tech in 2008. A grown man choking back tears in the airport. The loss to Colorado in 2001 is #6, with Sims holding the football with an outstretched arm and the punt fiasco denying Major a shot at an amazing comeback. Finally, 2006 A&M when Brown played McCoy when he couldn't throw the ball 10 yards. Sneed would have won that game. Those are my top 7, because they all cost us titles.
Lots of rough memories in that list and I agree with you on the ones I saw.

It’s interesting how the 1978 Cotton Bowl never gets mentioned. Is it because ND was just clearly the better team so why get worked up about effectively losing a national title game?
 
Lots of rough memories in that list and I agree with you on the ones I saw.

It’s interesting how the 1978 Cotton Bowl never gets mentioned. Is it because ND was just clearly the better team so why get worked up about effectively losing a national title game?
As painful as that was (I was there), it was decisive. The Cowboys were dominating that year and that took off some of the sting. When we left the Cotton Bowl and the Domers were mouthing off, a guy yelled out in his best Texas slang “Don’t you worry, the Cowboys’ll git it!”
 
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its a BS excuse to claim Texas has average players and that is why we consistently lose to below average talent that has better coaching. The only glaring place we are average is the O line, the rest of our mediocrity comes down to coaching and at times half arsed effort from the players. They both share in the blame here. Even with the bad coaching last Saturday we win that game if not for some bonehead plays by the team.

A competent coach would consistently beat the KSUs, TCUs, Kansas, Baylors, Iowa States of our league, only real talented team that is similar or better loaded than us in Big 12 is OU, i can see why wed lose to them as they have same or better players AND better coaching.
 
A late buy/sell question for Ketchum- what would happen to Herman if we lose to Kansas this year?
 
As good as Matt Clark and the team at Freedom Bail bond is, Urban would be much smarter to partner with my firm, Peek & Toland. I could offer the team a discount rate, and we are faster at getting people about if jail in Travis county than the bail bind companies.

Plus the new DA and County Attorney have already mentioned they are going to be softer on crime. The stars are aligning!

Can't beat that! Come on down Urban, I got you covered!
Wow! The stars are aligned.
 
Explain the pain that kicks in about six hours later that night when Nebraska loses.

Pretty hard to explain. Of course, quite honestly, just reliving the Cotton Bowl nightmare a full 6 hours was already hard enough. I mean, nobody really expected Miami to pull the upset so in real time, losing to UGA was pretty just about blowing a perfect season. The thought that a national title being blown would be the final result wasn't really on the mindset. It just f'n hurt like hell losing to Georgia.
 
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As painful as that was (I was there), it was decisive. The Cowboys were dominating that year and that took off some of the sting. When we left the Cotton Bowl and the Domers were mouthing off, a guy yelled out in his best Texas slang “Don’t you worry, the Cowboys’ll git it!”
what a memory.
 
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Pretty hard to explain. Of course, quite honestly, just reliving the Cotton Bowl nightmare a full 6 hours was already hard enough. I mean, nobody really expected Miami to pull the upset so in real time, losing to UGA was pretty just about blowing a perfect season. The thought that a national title being blown would be the final result wasn't really on the mindset. It just f'n hurt like hell losing to Georgia.
fair enough. How old were you?
 
its a BS excuse to claim Texas has average players and that is why we consistently lose to below average talent that has better coaching. The only glaring place we are average is the O line, the rest of our mediocrity comes down to coaching and at times half arsed effort from the players. They both share in the blame here. Even with the bad coaching last Saturday we win that game if not for some bonehead plays by the team.

A competent coach would consistently beat the KSUs, TCUs, Kansas, Baylors, Iowa States of our league, only real talented team that is similar or better loaded than us in Big 12 is OU, i can see why wed lose to them as they have same or better players AND better coaching.
I don't know that what you stated is quite what I'm saying.
 
I'm not sure how CDC "acts like Michael" during the midst of a financially-crippling pandemic. Helluva time to consider tossing away $20 mil to get rid of Herman..
 
where would you slot them?

BYU 2013 is 3rd for me after Crabtree and Alabama. That was the same year as red banquet and set in motion some misery after being SO SURE we were gonna be back that year. I was at the 2012 Oregon state Alamo bowl game and thought “this is that moment that springboards is to next year”

I didn’t follow college football Avidly I played football myself In middle school in 2003 so tbh other than watching Ricky play as a kid I was SPOILED. Never knew an unsuccessful Texas team.

Iowa State 2015 is in bottom half of my top ten, just because I had hope for Charlie after malik the year before and OU that year then We go Charlie Browned..errr Charlie stronged in Ames.
SHUT OUT.

to this day if I say “that loss to Iowa State“
my best bud corrects me and says “NO YOU MEAN THAT SHUTOUT to Iowa State”
 
Whether we're talking about the running backs or receivers, I don't know who should be playing or if anyone should truly be getting more snaps over anyone else.
Not to make excuses but this has got to be partially a function of a new OC who has had very few practices, meetings etc. to evaluate the tools in his box. The injury merry-go-round (Smith, JWhitt, etc) hasn't helped either.

I hate to say it but I think there's still a huge opportunity to beat OU and make a run. Not because we are good or well-coached, but because nobody else in this league is any good either. Like you said, it's a series of coin tosses. At this point, though, even 9-1 would still leave me believing it was only Fools Gold.
 
Yurcich called a good game Saturday. Players didn’t catch the ball/ not comit stupid big play negating penalties all game. Loss is on the players and not the coach for this one.

Bullseye!

Everyone is so intent on all the other stuff that they are overlooking/ignoring something that is literally staring them in the face. The players are showing themselves to not be very smart or intelligent or both.

It is not all on the coaches by any stretch of the imagination. And I'm not saying the the coaches aren't at fault. Because they definitely are. But the players are letting their coaches down.
 
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... Bill O'Brien isn't making it through October, right?
unfortunately he probably is and thus I have even less interest now watching the Texans than anything else
Gotta make the Top 10, maybe Top 5
1984 Georgia (Cotton Bowl)
Georgia 10 (9-1-1)
Texas 9 (11-0)

I was 10, I cried.
I was 8 and it was my first season that I remember well and I cried. I cried a second time when I woke up the next morning and my older brother told me that Miami beat Nebraska in the Orange Bowl. It also began what we can now see as a decade of crap football which is very much a parallel to that 2009 season and the loss to Alabama
 
I'm not sure how CDC "acts like Michael" during the midst of a financially-crippling pandemic. Helluva time to consider tossing away $20 mil to get rid of Herman..
That's fair. It would have helped if he'd been able to do it pre-pandemic.
 
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