"......... looking like Charlie is losing the locker room which to me is the death nail. "
At least we have a new OBism. (Or at least new to me.)
At least we have a new OBism. (Or at least new to me.)
Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (The ice is as thin as it gets)
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a. We'll see. I don't have a ton of insight into his thinking right now.
b. A demotion is the same thing as cutting him loose. It's just making sure the team isn't down a coach/voice for the rest of the season.
From Golf Magazine:
Phil's resume can be broken into two parts. From 1995-2010, Mickelson has a 11-17-6 record. From 2012-16, his record is 7-3-1. (He's the Americans' leading point-earner in those three years.) The recent success coordinates with a drop in the world rankings; Mickelson has preformed better the lower he’s ranked entering the event. He was miserable in 2004 and '06 when he was the fourth and second-ranked player in the world. He has been fantastic the last three years when his highest ranking was 11th. The uptick in personal performance hadn't translated into a U.S. victory until this week.
Then he's managed to carve out an average Ryder Cup career. He likely only has 1 Ryder Cup left and at the end of the day, his record will be in and around .500. We know what Denny Green would say about that.
No one will dispute that, but there's no getting around the fact that in his final Ryder Cup stretch as a player, he's turned into one of the leaders and strengths on the team, something no one would have ever thought years ago.
That's the point.
One of your best (minus the fantasy football part that I skipped. Kiss my ass).
Man, I hated that it was you. I would have much rather dropped that bomb on @Y2J Longhorn this week.
I will say he will have a chance to really make a push upward for his rep when he is a Ryder Cup captain which inevitably will happen. My guess is either in '20 or '22.
I want to weigh in. During the initial stretch you cited, I think the Americans were almost indifferent about the Ryder Cup. There were rumblings about not being paid and petty differences and bickering in the locker room and it all led to a disastrous record against the motivated Europeans. Recently, the morale seems to have improved and the Americans have come to realize that to compete in the Ryder Cup they need to play as a team. Mickelson was part of both eras and it is nice to see him emerge as a leader. The 10 birdies yesterday was as good as it gets.
Sounds like he's already unofficially a captain. From that same article.
In the two years since the last Ryder Cup, Mickelson has been the galvanizing force in a gut renovation of the U.S. approach to this event. He was one of the founding members of the 11-man task force created to direct more energy and resources to the team. As a part of that group, he was instrumental in choosing Love as the captain of this year’s squad.
He, alongside vice captain Tiger Woods, banded together to put more emphasis on winning the Cup than they ever did as team anchors in the 2000s. Mickelson organized his Tuesday matches in the last two seasons with one eye toward this week. He wasn’t the captain, or even a vice-captain. He was the wise man, the leader, the alpha. For his entire career, Mickelson has been mentioned second behind Woods. This week Woods stood behind Mickelson on the range with a walkie talkie as Mickelson prepped for his opening foursomes match. The script had been flipped.
"The environment they were put in this week brought out some of their best golf that I've ever seen from [this team]," Mickelson said. "It's truly a remarkable thing to watch, and it's a fun thing to be a part of. And to see the level of accomplishment and performance that these guys had this week was just sensational."
Great write up. I did not know that history is literally repeating itself....it's somewhat bizarre. I feel really bad for Charlie because he's a really high character individual. I really believed he was the perfect hire and I stayed in his corner big time until the OSU game. I love his core values and no nonsense approach to how he treats his players. But, he is gone at the end of the season and I cannot wait to find out what's really happened this year and how and why things went south so quickly. I think we all know he picked the wrong assistants Watson and Bedford. I wonder how much tension there is with Charlie and the staff. I'm afraid things could really go off the rails if there is a tremendous amount of distrust among the staff. I think Bedford is primarily the reason we are so bad. I'll bet CS gave him full control of the defense while CS is focused on other things. I want to hear today that Bedford has been fired but based upon some intelligent posts above.....that would not make much of a difference. Bedford does like freshmen but guess what they are the better athletes we have and you must figure out a way to get them on the field.......teach them the defense even if you have to tutor them one on one. Coaching is about winning no matter what it takes.......I really hope Charlie lands on his feet as a badass DC somewhere cool.......God Bless Charlie I know he gives UT everything he has in his tank and then some. IMHO he picked the wrong guys in Watson and Bedford and has run out of time to recover from those mistakes. Getting Herman at the end of the year would be incredibly awesome.
@RLong68 - You know I'm a Mickelson honk. Let me have my day!
No doubt. FWIW, I've warmed up to him as the years have gone by and he's added to his resume, particularly that epic Open Sunday in '13 that was a round for the ages.
I really wanted him to get that point yesterday, but Sergio was sensational. Neither man deserved a loss.
I had to do a double take to make sure you weren't talking about Strong in your intro. Nice piece of context.
All I remember from the Mackovic firing was after Route 66 and him saying outloud, in an interview, with other people within ear shot, "that's a loss that Texas fans will just have to deal with...". I knew the minute he said that, he was gone. Wasn't long thereafter. I liked most of what he did for the program but what an arrogant a$$.
So history repeats? but with a good man in his stead. It's really too bad for all concerned. Everyone loves Charlie.
Mackovic was always really nice to me for the most part. I once ran into him at the Great Hills 8 movie theater and he was a chatty Cathy. Loved him some Sgt. Bilko.
@Ketchum You've got your chance this week. I hope Tom Brady and my yet to be named captain bend you over and give it to you raw, no lube... "Bite the pillow, I'm going in dry!"
Wait, the one with Steve Martin???? That movie was HARR-ible. I love the origianl show and Steve Martin, but it was not a good movie. I'm guessing he might have needed that hit in the head he got as HC at Arizona.
Three asides related to Mackovic. One, he gave the AAS a pasta e pignole recipe that was delicious and I still use it today. Two, I coached against his son at Westlake young basketball and am 1-0 against John Mackovic (I usually omit the junior part). And three, my favorite call in cursing of him came from a guy who was just so frustrated, he goes, "Why you...you...you...chardonnay drinker!" Explains the pasta recipe, doesn't it
He made Texas relevant and remarkable. Not always good remarkable.
I was disappointed in the OSU loss too, but I'm a little surprised by the guardrail to guardrail expectation level for this team.
NOBODY expected us to be anything but 2-3 after the first 5 games. We beat ND, OU loses to Houston and suddenly we're a 10 win, conference champion contender? Then we lose to a pretty good Cal team on the road and a pretty capable OSU in Stillwater and it's obvious the coach has to go?
Neither loss was the ISU-esque embarrassment from last year.
If the "Strong must be fired" rhetoric train needs to leave the station, I think it should be his terrible game decisions, clock management, personnel decisions we should be looking at. How can anyone be surprised we're 2 and 2 right now?
Also, the fact that we're SOOOOO predicatable with the 18 wheeler package is at least partly on Gilbert, whom I'm sure anyone here would give a kidney to keep next year.
I'm not saying Strong should stay, the season is still unwritten. I'm just surprised by the knee jerk mentality here. If somehow we keep it close vs OU and then run the table (which isn't out of the question) anyone who said CS is the worst coach in UT history or had us listed as the 7th best team in the Big 12 needs to own what will turn out to be seriously premature comments.
And just so it gets said, John Mackovic was the worst coach in UT history. Maybe his record was better than some and he gave us Ricky Williams and the first ever Big 12 Conference Championship, but that arrogant douche will also be my least favorite coach to don burnt orange.
NOBODY expected us to be anything but 2-3 after the first 5 games. We beat ND, OU loses to Houston and suddenly we're a 10 win, conference champion contender? Then we lose to a pretty good Cal team on the road and a pretty capable OSU in Stillwater and it's obvious the coach has to go?
Neither loss was the ISU-esque embarrassment from last year.
If the "Strong must be fired" rhetoric train needs to leave the station, I think it should be his terrible game decisions, clock management, personnel decisions we should be looking at. How can anyone be surprised we're 2 and 2 right now?
Also, the fact that we're SOOOOO predicatable with the 18 wheeler package is at least partly on Gilbert, whom I'm sure anyone here would give a kidney to keep next year.
I'm not saying Strong should stay, the season is still unwritten. I'm just surprised by the knee jerk mentality here. If somehow we keep it close vs OU and then run the table (which isn't out of the question) anyone who said CS is the worst coach in UT history or had us listed as the 7th best team in the Big 12 needs to own what will turn out to be seriously premature comments.
And just so it gets said, John Mackovic was the worst coach in UT history. Maybe his record was better than some and he gave us Ricky Williams and the first ever Big 12 Conference Championship, but that arrogant douche will also be my least favorite coach to don burnt orange.
I am one of the few Charlie fans that are left. I am very disappointed with the Cal and OSU defense. Special teams - WTF - agreed. But all these knee jerk reactions are ridiculous. Herman may be the next "Saban" or maybe he is a very fortunate coach who is riding Gred Ward Jr. I am confident under Charlie we will not have a Baylor situation. I am also confident that the defense will be addressed. You spoil brats who throw bombs all day long does not help the players or the coaches reach the players. I like analysis but venom is too much..
Yeah, he thought the movie version was awesome. Tickled him pink.Wait, the one with Steve Martin???? That movie was HARR-ible. I love the origianl show and Steve Martin, but it was not a good movie. I'm guessing he might have needed that hit in the head he got as HC at Arizona.
Three asides related to Mackovic. One, he gave the AAS a pasta e pignole recipe that was delicious and I still use it today. Two, I coached against his son at Westlake young basketball and am 1-0 against John Mackovic (I usually omit the junior part). And three, my favorite call in cursing of him came from a guy who was just so frustrated, he goes, "Why you...you...you...chardonnay drinker!" Explains the pasta recipe, doesn't it
He made Texas relevant and remarkable. Not always good remarkable.
Surreal moment.
Charlie ain't within a 10-foot pole of Mackovic.
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