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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (The most important position coach in 2017 is...)

You think D Young is better than Warren? NO WAY in hell any RB starts over him if he is healthy. You are right tho, if Warren is injured and a couple other RBs Young takes that bull by the Horns.
Based on what I've seen, I think Carter will eventually takeover if Warren can't stay healthy. That being said, I haven't seen one play from Young. sooooo

I was being sarcastic about Young to be sure
 
What kind of horsing around are you engaged in that causes this?

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"Types of bruises". I wasn't referring to their locations. Bruises of that size and color can come up very easily depending on the person.
 
Spot on regarding Elliot. NFL did their investigation and determined him guilty. The DA and their investigation is irrelevant to this situation. If he In fact beat her on numerous occasions he got off light with a 6 game suspension. Nothing in his past indicates you should believe a thing he says about it either.

Cowboys fans need to take a hard look In the mirror bc attacking the accusers character is Baylor/ou deflection 101
Lol. Nothing in that girls pasts suggests you should trust her either.

It's not attacking her to point out not only did she ask people to lie for her to set zeke up but that multiple witnesses didn't share her view of what happened either.

In addition the DA flat out admitted they found conflicts and inconsistencies in ALL of her claims.

How can that just be cast aside?
 
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I sure hope so.
Such a short response.

Yes or no, is it important if the bruises are from her striking Zeke (or someone else), as opposed to something Zeke did?

Yes or no, does it matter if she was the instigator of the physical altercation, and Zeke was merely holding her back to defend himself?

Yes or no, does it matter if those bruises were from a bar fight that had nothing to do with Zeke?
 
You don't think the NFL checked into all of it? I think there are all kinds of scattered pieces of mess in this situation and I mentioned in the article that the conditions around her beg questions.

Yet, there is much more evidence than he beat her than convincing evidence exists that he didn't.

Don't for a second pretend you have more information on this than they do.

It's the SJW way to be so overly dramatic. Don't you for a second pretend the NFL has more information than the police and district attorney that do this for a living.

They couldn't prove zeke hit anyone and tried. They also said they found issues with every single claim the girl made.

You just ignore all that or pretend it doesn't matter with your agenda
 
EE thing is a witch hunt. Anyone believing we must turn every stone over to disapprove the claim of physical abuse needs to clean the scheisse out of his ears and get a new hobby.
 
What kind of horsing around are you engaged in that causes this?

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The only one that is really disconcerting is the one on the neck. The others look more like someone who was the aggressor in a fight. If that was a man in these photos, everyone would be talking about the bruises show he punched the hell out of someone.

Other than the neck, they simply don't look like someone who was abused. They look like fight marks.
 
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I find it strange the NFL acknowledges Zeke's accuser lied about the July 22 event but believes he assaulted her 3 times earlier that week. She was wanting to hang around Zeke pretty bad July 22 after supposedly getting beat by him 3 times earlier in the week and she was pretty bruised up in those pictures, I find it odd she would want to go out looking like that.



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Again, there's no one in this story to completely trust in. Yet, the NFL has all of that info and they believe, along with specialists in the field, that he did abuse her.

It's an ugly, complicated situation.
 
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He missed all of spring and is hardly a veteran starter. Am I supposed to really place much importance on how they line up on Day 1 of Fall Camp. The fact is when it came time to suit up in first day of full pads he was running first team Center. Now, you tell me how important that Day 1 one.
We're literally debating something super trivial, but...

In this imaginary pecking order, a healthy J-Rod is in front of Shack. Neither of them are proven. I doubt either of them are plus-players. If you want to argue that Vahe is definitely in front of J-Rod, I don't care enough to debate. I have the same questions about all of them
 
Again, there's no one in this story to completely trust in. Yet, the NFL has all of that info and they believe, along with specialists in the field, that he did abuse her.

It's an ugly, complicated situation.
You say there's nobody to "completely trust in," but only the accuser has been shown to have actually lied about the situation at hand. That is very telling.
 
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What we've learned about CS in this thread.

Female: I was attacked by a man with a large knife.

CS: Tell me about the knife.

Female: It was a hunting knife. It was probably eight inches long.

CS:
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No, the proper analogy is this:

@Ketchum: She was attacked with a claymore. Here's the picture.

@CS: That's a picture of a pocketknife, not a claymore.

Everything else you've said is drivel.
 
@Ketchum carries an SJW hammer and sees everything as a nail of injustice.

It's such a beating. Thankfully there are other fun parts to the site.

But, throwing around "abuser of women" when there is no evidence of anything beyond one week in his life with a questionable person is a pretty slanderous statement.

No kidding. But that isn't the SJW way. I mean the girl is documented as being questionable in every way but we should just automatically trust someone who asked people to lie for her against zeke
 
b. Saturday's pre-season game between the Cowboys/Rams is three hours of my life that I want back. I don't have any optimism going into this season at this point. I don't believe in Jason Garrett.

You are basing your level of optimism over a preseason game in which Dak, Dez, Zeke, Sean Lee, Scandrick, Witten, etc didn't play a snap? You don't believe in the reigning NFL Coach of the Year?
Do us all a favor and skip mentioning anything regarding the Cowboys and / or Zeke this season. Your thoughts on all things Cowboys are misplaced, lazy, dimwitted, and therefore irrelevant. Save yourself and your readers the time. Your thoughts on Zeke and that blurb about a meaningless preseason game is 10 minutes of my life I want back.
 
Man what way to start the week...@Ketch first of all I am quite impressed how far you've come with soccer; I remember you trying to find your team...MANUTD looked pretty stout

Justin Thomas is the real thing, he was on the bama squad UT beat for the golf natty i believe and actually recommended Jordin's caddy to him and lastly they are long time friends

The horns have me concerned as a team that is going to struggle this year...How could there be a depth issue at LB? I thought that was THE loaded group...7-8 wins tops makes me nauseous

The Cowboys look like we are missing the playoffs...UGH *%^#&
a.Man U. looked very strong in week one a year ago. I want to see a little more of a sample size before annointing them, something I didn't do a year ago when I said they would finish top two after the first week.

b. Thomas might be the next great American golfer. We need a nickname for Speith's crew.

c. I think linebacker will be fine. It IS a loaded group.

d. Gonna be a rough year in Dallas, I believe.
 
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Just because they have the resources doesn't mean they can conduct an investigation properly or without introducing bias. I definitely feel the NFL is by far the most untrustworthy in this situation.

We really don't know what they have used in defense. In reality we know little more than the league believes it has substantial evidence. Although the arguements of the panel that i have seen are pretty hollow and could easily go both ways.

I notice you used suggests, that's not something that should ever be used in circumstances like this. The evidence needs to prove.

I am absolutely objective at this point. For the most part I have stayed away from the discussions and developed opinions as more and more information coming out. I am certainly not ignoring what is in front of me, I am pointing out the major flaws in the limited information that we have, as have other people.
You don't know what they have, none of us really do, but you're convinced they absolutely can only do so with bias.

I'm not sure that is an objective position.
 
Lol. Nothing in that girls pasts suggests you should trust her either.

It's not attacking her to point out not only did she ask people to lie for her to set zeke up but that multiple witnesses didn't share her view of what happened either.

In addition the DA flat out admitted they found conflicts and inconsistencies in ALL of her claims.

How can that just be cast aside?

unfortunately the NFL disagreed and so did two medical experts:

"The investigators looked at photographs, medical records, and text messages. Two medical experts consulted by the league determined that a series of photographs of the woman’s injuries “appear recent and consistent” to her statements."
 
"Types of bruises". I wasn't referring to their locations. Bruises of that size and color can come up very easily depending on the person.
Is that what you would tell your daughter or sister if they approached you with that bruising.... that it looks like horsing around bruising?
 
Lol. Nothing in that girls pasts suggests you should trust her either.

It's not attacking her to point out not only did she ask people to lie for her to set zeke up but that multiple witnesses didn't share her view of what happened either.

In addition the DA flat out admitted they found conflicts and inconsistencies in ALL of her claims.

How can that just be cast aside?
I'm not casting that aside. What part of me saying that there are no trustworthy people in this story have you not seen?
 
You say there's nobody to "completely trust in," but only the accuser has been shown to have actually lied about the situation at hand. That is very telling.
and yet, the NFL believes it happened and Elliott has provided or attempted to provide any reasonable explanations. I can't turn away from that. None of us should.
 
unfortunately the NFL disagreed and so did two medical experts:

"The investigators looked at photographs, medical records, and text messages. Two medical experts consulted by the league determined that a series of photographs of the woman’s injuries “appear recent and consistent” to her statements."

And how exactly did they prove zeke made them vs her being in a bar fight per multiple witnesses?

There are also text messages with her asking people to lie for her.

She also made statements that allude
To her trying to ruin his career as well.

If they somehow proved he made the bruises they should turn it over to law enforcement or they are full of shit.

The Police saw those photos too and investigated them. They couldn't prove he assualted her and said ALL her claims had conflicts in them. But we are just supposed to ignore all that?
 
You are basing your level of optimism over a preseason game in which Dak, Dez, Zeke, Sean Lee, Scandrick, Witten, etc didn't play a snap? You don't believe in the reigning NFL Coach of the Year?
Do us all a favor and skip mentioning anything regarding the Cowboys and / or Zeke this season. Your thoughts on all things Cowboys are misplaced, lazy, dimwitted, and therefore irrelevant. Save yourself and your readers the time. Your thoughts on Zeke and that blurb about a meaningless preseason game is 10 minutes of my life I want back.
a. No, the football was ugly but it had little impact on how I think about the season. Nothing exciting happened, though.
b. No, I don't believe in Garrett, I never have.

Good day, sir.
 
And how exactly did they prove zeke made them vs her being in a bar fight per multiple witnesses?

There are also text messages with her asking people to lie for her.

She also made statements that allude
To her trying to ruin his career as well.

If they somehow proved he made the bruises they should turn it over to law enforcement or they are full of shit.

The Police saw those photos too and investigated them. They couldn't prove he assualted her and said ALL her claims had conflicts in them. But we are just supposed to ignore all that?
The police believe he did abuse her.

Medical experts did as well.

he panel it put together did as well.

Again, there is all kinds of mess to sort through, as I've conceded numerous times. At the end of the day, they overwhelmingly believe he abused her.
 
Is that what you would tell your daughter or sister if they approached you with that bruising.... that it looks like horsing around bruising?

Uh, no. I would simply ask how she acquired those bruises. Am I supposed to assume that because a woman has a bruise on them that it is the result of physical abuse?
 
The police believe he did abuse her.

Medical experts did as well.

he panel it put together did as well.

Again, there is all kinds of mess to sort through, as I've conceded numerous times. At the end of the day, they overwhelmingly believe he abused her.

If the NFL has overwhelming evidence that Zeke was routinely beating his girlfriend:

1.) Why only a 6 game suspension?
2.) Why didn't they turn the evidence over to the DA so they could prosecute him?
 
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