Explain your comment of the bruises then? That's seems like wide-spread judgement to me.
Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (The most important position coach in 2017 is...)
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I'm telling you straight up what my thoughts are and you aren't listening to me.
I think based on what the NFL has said that a lot of unanswered questions need answering. I think based on what the NFL is telling us, we need not be dismissive of the idea that something happened.
I don't see how anyone could have their mind made up in a story featuring all non-trustworthy parts.
Those pictures need better explaining than I have seen from people who want to will their way to a proper explaonation already being given.
The bruises make me raise an eyebrow but I have no idea how she got them. Based on her past of lying to the police and saying she was going to ruin Zeke's career, I am not comfortable assuming that she is telling the truth that he is at fault for them. It has been stated she was involved in a fight and that would certainly make sense given the bruises. There are even affidavits that state she was in said bar fight. IMO, it is her job to prove that he gave her those bruises. Hell, maybe she already has. We just don't know and the NFL's vague statement doesn't give us any insight into what they have. I would imagine the text messages truly hold the key. If he did do them then I guaranteed there is some text record of it. Let's be honest, Zeke has never come off as an intelligent person that has the ability to avoid admitting that type of guilt in the moment.
The affidavits saying she asked people to lie for her, the story changes, and the claims of ruining his career are what give me pause in this ordeal. If those didn't exist I would be leaning more to your side of the story. That is where I stand.
Correct, they don't have to have definitive proof. But many are taking the suspension as definitive proof of guilt.
Many are saying he must be guilty because they investigated and found him guilty. Yet they haven't come forward with the findings other than Elliott cant prove he didn't give her those bruises.
There are real privacy issues in situations like this that must be respected, but given the set of circumstances, full transparency should be on the table.
So you will use a broad term like "police believe he assaulted her", when citing the select few investigators hired by the NFL? Again, classic SJW tactic. Broad, sweeping strokes.
I don't think you wish for this to be true. I am 100% sure that you are 100% sure that Zeke is guilty, though you claim otherwise. All too predictable.
No one suggested she got them horsing around, but that similar bruises could be acquired from horsing around. It wasn't hard to understand.
Agreed, thats all I ask. I'm pretty passionate against abuse of women and children so before I start feeling a certain way about one of my favorite players I just want to be sure.
If you ever "horse around" with a woman and cause that type of combined bruising on her neck, back, shoulders, wrist, arms and legs, you actually just abused her. It's one thing to play around and get a bruise, it's another to come away looking like your entire body has been roughed up.
This. 100%. Ketch, again, is pot-committed though, and is getting destroyed in another thread because he is lying to himself and his clients.
So you are of the opinion that the "alternative facts" justify a 6 game suspension and $2M in loss revenue for Zeke, though none of the facts prove his guilt. Nor do they prove his innocence. The only factual evidence we have is sworn affidavits and text messages that clearly state the alleged victim is a liar seeking to exploit a professional athlete.
One thing is clear in this case: The NFL and Ketch are not viewing this case in a vacuum, which is a disservice to all parties and the fans. The NFL is scared $hitless of the Ray Rice video, and Ketch can't get past Baylor. As hard as it is, you are obligated to view each case individually and without prejudice.
By all means, continue to ignore what I'm saying to fit the narrative that exists in your head.
Your mind was made up the moment the suspension dropped.
I think most here would agree that it is you who has said enough. And it's been happening for a long time now. Fix it.
It should be quite apparent that your fanbase, of which I still consider myself, has grown tired of this act.
Talking about players who deserve to be in the pro hall of fame, I did not see a certain player from Texas who belongs as much as anyone in the hall in my opinion but will never get there. His name is Tommy Nobis, one of the best linebackers to ever pay for Texas and the pros. Only because he never played on a winner at Atlanta, but he was the first player taken in his draft year by an expansion team.
How messed up is this situation?
Roger Goodell was not in the room with Elliott when it met with the league. He has never spoke to the woman. He made this ruling without ever getting involved, which is bullshit.
What makes it worse?
a. That he wasn't there?
b. That I'm more inclined to believe the results of the findings knowing that he wasn't involved?
Talk about a credibility issue.
Roger Goodell was not in the room with Elliott when it met with the league. He has never spoke to the woman. He made this ruling without ever getting involved, which is bullshit.
What makes it worse?
a. That he wasn't there?
b. That I'm more inclined to believe the results of the findings knowing that he wasn't involved?
Talk about a credibility issue.
https://www.google.com/amp/profootb...l-did-not-attend-ezekiel-elliott-hearing/amp/
Goodell doesn't attend hearing. I assume he took panels findings and decided sentence
Goodell doesn't attend hearing. I assume he took panels findings and decided sentence
Indeed, if the NFLPA and Elliott's lawyers go scorched earth, and I assume they will, they'll attack this, the woman's reputation, and the panels supposed cherry picking of the facts.
The better have good evidence vs Elliott
Generic Joe Texas Supporter? Sure. But if there are people on this site that don't know who he is, then they aren't really on this site. There have been numerous pictures and video clips since he was hired. Heck, most of us could recognize him after Alex said he was the likely OC if Herman ever came when he wrote his column halfway through the 2016 season. I mean, Warehime was just on the video with Meekins and Mehringer last week from their media availability session.
This latest blunder by Goodell sounds exactly like the kind of thing Elliott's lawyers could use in a lawsuit as an example of "procedural mistakes" made during allegation evaluation.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/11/ezekiel-elliott-suspension-appeal-legal-process
"In a lawsuit, Elliott would be joined by the NFLPA. He would assert that Goodell and his four experts committed grave procedural mistakes in evaluating the allegations and that, accordingly, they reached an arbitrary and capricious conclusion. A federal court reviewing a petition to vacate the arbitration award would focus on procedure, not on facts. Put another way, a federal judge would not conduct a trial on whether Elliott is innocent or guilty of Thompson’s allegations. The judge would instead evaluate the accuracy and credibility of the processes used by the NFL in assessing allegations and whether those processes comported with Article 46."
Not only can I not pick Warehime out of the lineup, I can't pronounce his name. How is it that he is called?
