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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (13 days, folks... 13 days)

There are millions of dollars at stake with these decisions. And im not talking about Sark’s millions. As well as what future recruits might think of you as a coach if you bench your millionaire. I fully believe that “it’s complicated”.
The players know who the best players are. They always know. You lose the team if you don’t play the best players and the best recruits will not show up if you’re not giving them the chance to win the job or playing favorites.

Johntay is a perfect example of this. I don’t believe it applies to a portion of the team but the QBs are different. If you’ve earned it you will play, if you don’t you will be replaced.
 
That is not what the committee is saying.
Well, what are they saying? I am sure something about not punishing a team that plays in their conference championship. However, with aggy you have to consider the fact that with their weak conference schedule (No Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, or Tennessee) they really didn't deserve to be in the SEC Championship in the first place. The committee has said it is about rewarding the best teams, not necessarily the most deserving teams. See Florida State last year. There will be better teams with better records than a 10-3 aggy squad to choose from come Selection Sunday.
 
Honestly, I've watched Oregon and the only reason they are worth a damn is Gabriel. Just like he did against us at OU. He just makes plays. He's tops in the country in completion percentage and rating. Oregon is mediocre without him. And I have to pause and LMAO at OU.
He's just a pretty good player. That's all. I've watched him for half a decade.
 
Your 24/7 defense of Quinn wouldn't be necessary if he could play a complete game and look like a plus QB. You sound like his PR team/agent at this point. His numbers don't lie, when he is on, he is one of the best at his position in the country. When he is not, he is one of the worst. The OL sucked against Georgia and nobody could have looked good at the QB position. Great, consistent players don't need internet warriors to try to convince people that they are something they are not.
I’m not defending QE - pay attention.
 
The 1983 Defensive Backs were excellent! Fred Acorn, Mossy Cade, Craig Curry- I have forgotten the fumble and so should he, Jitter Fields and Jerry Gray and all played in NFL! Gray made four pro bowls, twice was second team all pro, Mossy cade was a great player, First team All American and SWC in 1983and second team SWC in 1982. Yes, he made a mistake but paid his dues and hopefully turned his life around. Fields made pro bowl as return specialist! Not bad aa a group and the overall defense was outstanding! Tony Degrate, Jeff Leiding, Richard Peavy were other excellent players, and I think overall including offensive players around 15 were drafted! watch the video on utbe when they beat Auburn on the road and Knocked Marcus DuPree out of football!
 
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Well, what are they saying? I am sure something about not punishing a team that plays in their conference championship. However, with aggy you have to consider the fact that with their weak conference schedule (No Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, or Tennessee) they really didn't deserve to be in the SEC Championship in the first place. The committee has said it is about rewarding the best teams, not necessarily the most deserving teams. See Florida State last year. There will be better teams with better records than a 10-3 aggy squad to choose from come Selection Sunday.
They are saying teams playing in conference title games won't be punished and miss out for losing.
 
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Geez you live to argue. I told you I read everything you write. I’m retired and on here every single day. I’ve never seen any thoughts given to what else occurred during down QBR quarters. Ever.
Alex analyzes and grades every single play of the offensive line every week. It might not be quarter to quarter, but it’s in depth analysis of a position group that has the greatest effect on Quinn’s performance outside of the receivers. Great place to start.
 
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The 1983 Defensive Backs were excellent! Fred Acorn, Mossy Cade, Craig Curry- I have forgotten the fumble and so should he, Jitter Fields and Jerry Gray and all played in NFL! Gray made four pro bowls, twice was second team all pro, Mossy cade was a great player, First team All American and SWC in 1983and second team SWC in 1982. Yes, he made a mistake but paid his dues and hopefully turned his life around. Fields made pro bowl as return specialist! Not bad aa a group and the overall defense was outstanding! Tony Degrate, Jeff Leiding, Richard Peavy were other excellent players, and I think overall including offensive players around 15 were drafted! watch the video on utbe when they beat Auburn on the road and Knocked Marcus DuPree out of football!
It's so hard to compare eras that far back because the offenses were bunk and the quarterbacks often worse than that.
 
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The players know who the best players are. They always know. You lose the team if you don’t play the best players and the best recruits will not show up if you’re not giving them the chance to win the job or playing favorites.

Johntay is a perfect example of this. I don’t believe it applies to a portion of the team but the QBs are different. If you’ve earned it you will play, if you don’t you will be replaced.
I’m gonna sit the rest of this one out. Recovering from a long drive home from Fayetteville.
 
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(Sell) I think someone will take him in the top two rounds.
In 2022 when he threw a wide field deep out route on a dime against Bama I would’ve agreed with you. But now we know he struggles playing in a phone booth and the NFL is a mosh pit of congestion. They are going to see he’s undersized, has bad feet, overrated arm strength, no downfield accuracy and his stock will plummet. 4th round at best, I’m betting on 5th.
 
The dynamics are complicated, but yes. I think the better player is not playing.
That's got to sting Zorlac. Posting Ewers false narratives all day doesn't make Quinn better. He is what he is. An inconsistent QB with horrible mechanics and terrible pocket presence. Being as mobile as Herman Muenster doesn't help. Good kid with a good arm doesn't make a great QB.
 
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a. It happens in every game.
b. It's usually for two quarters back to back of 3/.4 of the game.
c. His good play is often the anomaly.
But how different is that from other qbs? Again being streaky isn’t that unusual for an offense / qb. Ultimately if your game gbr is bad so be it. I’m not sure quarter by quarter says much.
 
In 2022 when he threw a wide field deep out route on a dime against Bama I would’ve agreed with you. But now we know he struggles playing in a phone booth and the NFL is a mosh pit of congestion. They are going to see he’s undersized, has bad feet, overrated arm strength, no downfield accuracy and his stock will plummet. 4th round at best, I’m betting on 5th.

we shall see.
 
Quarter by quarter seems to me to have a small sample size quality to it that puts results on the extreme. You have one good or bad series and you look like best or worst qb in football have you compared Quinn’s quarter but quarter “inconsistency” to other qbs? How different is it ?
Very good question. If someone can point me to the source of the qxq numbers I’ll report back
 
But how different is that from other qbs? Again being streaky isn’t that unusual for an offense / qb. Ultimately if your game gbr is bad so be it. I’m not sure quarter by quarter says much.
Most elite quarterbacks don't have such deep valleys. Their bad quarterback play is better.
 
I'm not sure that...

a. Green is better than Brooks
b. jackson will play better than Daniels

Every game is different. A&M playing at home at night for everything will be light years different than playing Arkansas at 11am.

You do know that, right?
I know that run first QBs have faired poorly against Texas this year. I know that Marcel Reed (I have no idea who Brooks is) had a 57 QBR against South Carolina. Green can throw from the pocket, Reed cannot. Daniels is a mediocre back.
 
He's got a tough list to put together. I can tell you that song wasn't on other lists that I looked at.

It shouldn’t be about other people’s lists, just yours.😏
 
I don't look at this as arguing. I thought we were having a conversation.
I reread #4 page 1…. It said if Quinn could do a bit better in down quarters he could be elite. No mention of other players. It’s after all a QBR. My curiosity was piqued, when after reading it, I wondered which quarters Moore’s drops were in. 2 more completions with big chunks of yardage could have big impacts. Were they in his bad Quarters? Made me wonder what other factors can impact QBR outside of the QB’s control. Are all of Quinn’s “valleys” really all on him?

That was my observation and initial question.
 
I know that run first QBs have faired poorly against Texas this year. I know that Marcel Reed (I have no idea who Brooks is) had a 57 QBR against South Carolina. Green can throw from the pocket, Reed cannot. Daniels is a mediocre back.

21 points might win that game. Big plays can get a team like A&M there. I'm not predicting it will happen, but they will be a much more dangerous team.
 
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The dynamics are complicated, but yes. I think the better player is not playing.
I'm pretty sure I came to the same conclusions about your opinion last week, and you told me, “I would not phrase it that way.” That you and a few others on here have come to the bold conviction that Arch is better than Quinn and that you can see it while Sark doesn't is quite the claim.

I'll remind you and everyone else that Arch has two starts against subpar competition. He looked shaky in his first and very good in his second. He has not faced a good defense, and he has barely been game-planned against (unlike Nico I at Tennessee). Sark sees him in practice every week. Occam’s Razor.

But your example of a coach starting the less talented player is to use an apples-to-oranges comparison of positions and neglect the fact that Jonathan Brooks and CJ Baxter shared carries. Coaches want to keep running backs fresh so they can play and prove who’s better over an extended sample size. This is not the proof I would use.

Arch might be better, but declaring it with certainty implies Sark is improperly managing the most critical position on the field.
 
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That's got to sting Zorlac. Posting Ewers false narratives all day doesn't make Quinn better. He is what he is. An inconsistent QB with horrible mechanics and terrible pocket presence. Being as mobile as Herman Muenster doesn't help. Good kid with a good arm doesn't make a great QB.
I’ve never said QE is a great QB or that he is better or worse than Arch. My stance, across multiple threads, is Sark is playing his best option to win. He see them daily, knows their tendencies, understands their grasp of the offense more than people posting on a message board.
 
Alex analyzes and grades every single play of the offensive line every week. It might not be quarter to quarter, but it’s in depth analysis of a position group that has the greatest effect on Quinn’s performance outside of the receivers. Great place to start.
I agree. Drops by receivers can be tracked also. Sometimes subjective but still important to grading a QB.
 
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Most elite quarterbacks don't have such deep valleys. Their bad quarterback play is better.
Ok would be interesting to compare Quinn to other top qbs quarter by quarter some weekend. My eyeball sees most qbs with good and bad quarters. Again not sure I disagree with conclusion. Where does Quinn rank right now in qbr in conference?
 
Honestly, I've watched Oregon and the only reason they are worth a damn is Gabriel. Just like he did against us at OU. He just makes plays. He's tops in the country in completion percentage and rating. Oregon is mediocre without him. And I have to pause and LMAO at OU.
Gabriel is 7th in the country in Passing efficiency. Dart is #1.
 
I reread #4 page 1…. It said if Quinn could do a bit better in down quarters he could be elite. No mention of other players. It’s after all a QBR. My curiosity was piqued, when after reading it, I wondered which quarters Moore’s drops were in. 2 more completions with big chunks of yardage could have big impacts. Were they in his bad Quarters? Made me wonder what other factors can impact QBR outside of the QB’s control. Are all of Quinn’s “valleys” really all on him?

That was my observation and initial question.
I can't do this thing where we pretend that Quinn hasn't had half a season of up and down play from game to game.

You'll want to count drops but ignore the plays made after the catch that Quinn has little to do with.

Sark has been open about the offense not being good enough.
 
I'm pretty sure I came to the same conclusions about your opinion last week, and you told me, “I would not phrase it that way.” That you and a few others on here have come to the bold conviction that Arch is better than Quinn and that you can see it while Sark doesn't is quite the claim.

I'll remind you and everyone else that Arch has two starts against subpar competition. He looked shaky in his first and very good in his second. He has not faced a good defense, and he has barely been game-planned against (unlike Nico I at Tennessee). Sark sees him in practice every week. Occam’s Razor.

But your example of a coach starting the less talented player is to use an apples-to-oranges comparison of positions and neglect the fact that Jonathan Brooks and CJ Baxter shared carries. Coaches want to keep running backs fresh so they can play and prove who’s better over an extended sample size. This is not the proof I would use.

Arch might be better, but declaring it with certainty implies Sark is improperly managing the most critical position on the field.
I have said for most of the season I believe Arch is better. It's not new.
 
Ok would be interesting to compare Quinn to other top qbs quarter by quarter some weekend. My eyeball sees most qbs with good and bad quarters. Again not sure I disagree with conclusion. Where does Quinn rank right now in qbr in conference?
If I get a chance, I'll do it this week.
 
They specifically stated they wouldn’t hold a CC loss against a team.
But they also stopped short of saying that simply making the game puts you in over someone that didn’t. You’re old enough to know how these things work. There are guidelines, always. But those guidelines are always ignored in favor of the eye test.
 
I can't do this thing where we pretend that Quinn hasn't had half a season of up and down play from game to game.

You'll want to count drops but ignore the plays made after the catch that Quinn has little to do with.

Sark has been open about the offense not being good enough.
Haha. That’s my point. I think YAC is on receivers grade, good or bad, not Quinn. That’s why I think QBR is way too simplistic as currently used to gauge a QB’s performance.
 
Ok would be interesting to compare Quinn to other top qbs quarter by quarter some weekend. My eyeball sees most qbs with good and bad quarters. Again not sure I disagree with conclusion. Where does Quinn rank right now in qbr in conference?
7th

 
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Haha. That’s my point. I think YAC is on receivers grade, good or bad, not Quinn. That’s why I think QBR is way too simplistic as currently used to gauge a QB’s performance.
Is just a piece of the puzzle... but it's not subjective and it quantifies play transparently.
 
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