Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (A moment of great opportunity...)
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(Sell) I shouldn't be giving any benefit of the doubt, but it does not feel like 2013 or 2016.
I don't think it is fair to say that 2016 was a coaching hire failure at the time. My recollection is that Tom Herman was the favorite by far to get the UT job, and most were saying that if we didn't get him, that would be a screw up.
It's a fascinating subjective conversation that feels more complicated than the ones we have on other sports.
Really enjoyed your piece today. You have been on fire as of late and have now moved into clear first place. I sure hope your right with Texas hiring UM, the domino effect off of his hire would be astronomical in every category.
Fingers crossed Ketch, You The Man!
Hah, Graham. Can you imagine turning the keys over to a zero experienced head coach?
The fan meltdown would be fun to watch.
i don’t disagree, but maybe in 22 years after you’ve intimately experienced 6 more world cups, you’ll change your mind on the importance of it, when ranking the top superstars.
good discussion.
Completely fair point.
It's just a vibe I get more than anything else based on trends within the sport.
Biut, if Mbappe wins three WCs, I reserve the right to change my mind.
Sorry - it wasn't in all-caps... but the fact that she started her response off with "Haha" makes me think she's finding all of this entertaining or annoying (or both).
Don't get me wrong, I'm cautiously optimistic and I hope we seal the deal, but I'm assuming we, the fans, have put the cart way before the horse with this... just like we did with Saban in '13. That said, the key difference this time around is that the only complication is Urban's health and how much desire he has to dive back into one of the most grueling jobs out there... that, and his wife's perspective. I'm sure she'll have a lot of influence and I'm assuming she probably enjoys having her hubby back after decades of him burning the candle at both ends.
Completely fair point.
It's just a vibe I get more than anything else based on trends within the sport.
Biut, if Mbappe wins three WCs, I reserve the right to change my mind.
Pelé had won two by age 21.
2 Things:
1) It could be $10M for 10, but $8M could also be the number as it would be the highest number for a coach. Also, he may not want a 10 year commitment. We need to go with what he wants. He might just want a 5 year deal. Given his history, that would be more consistent.
2) Given our financial challenges from Covid happening during the South Endzone project and that we have a big buyout to pay, how much would season ticket holders be willing to help out? I would be willing to go an extra $500 year in donations. How about you? Stated differently, would you be willing to pay an extra $500 to start enjoying football on a regular basis?
1) It could be $10M for 10, but $8M could also be the number as it would be the highest number for a coach. Also, he may not want a 10 year commitment. We need to go with what he wants. He might just want a 5 year deal. Given his history, that would be more consistent.
2) Given our financial challenges from Covid happening during the South Endzone project and that we have a big buyout to pay, how much would season ticket holders be willing to help out? I would be willing to go an extra $500 year in donations. How about you? Stated differently, would you be willing to pay an extra $500 to start enjoying football on a regular basis?
Thanks Ketch... any idea where the rumor that suggested the Nov 30 buyout is $20M vs. the Dec 1 buyout is $15M originated? People just making shit up?
If there's no magical reduction, I guess CDC is waiting to get his ducks in a row before ripping that band-aid off... I sure hope the planets align... we need Urban.
I think the thought was that Texas would owe three years of salary which was close to 20.
Then the USA Today put out the report that on 12/1 the buyout is $15,400,000, but that didn't mean that it dropped on that date, which is where the confusion came from.
No way. Maradona's brilliance was short-lived. Messi has been a god for over a decade. Obviously, since I have an Argentine wife and Argentine kids, I'm pro-anything Argentina. But Maradona's Maradona's greatness is heavily exaggerated. There is no question at one point, he was a football god. But, his top-end form was very short-lived. In 17 years with the National team, he played in 3 Copas & 4 WCs, making just 2 finals.
1979 Copa America
* 1 goal scored by Maradona against Bolivia. Shut out in the other 3 games.
* Argentina finished 3rd in group stage & were knocked out
1982 World Cup
* 2 goals scored, both against Hungary. Shut out in the other 4 games.
* Argentina was knocked out in the 2nd round, finishing last in their group with 0 points.
1983 Copa America
* Maradona was passed over
1986 World Cup
* 4 legitimate goals scored by Maradona. Shut out in 4 games, including the WC Final vs West Germany.
* Argentina won the WC
1987 Copa America
* 3 goals scored by Maradona against Peru & Ecuador in the first 2 games, then shut out the rest of the tournament
* Argentina won their group, then was knocked out by Uruguay in the next round.
1989 Copa America
* 0 goals scored by Maradona. He was shut out in all 7 games
* Argentina won their group, then was knocked out the next round.
1990 World Cup
* 0 goals scored by Maradona. He was shut out in all 7 games.
* Argentina finished runner-up to West Germany
1991 Copa America
* Maradona was suspended for drugs
1993 Copa America
* Maradona was suspended for drugs
1994 World Cup
* 1 goal scored by Maradona
* Maradona was suspended during the tournament for drugs
Maradona had exactly one good tournament in his entire career with the Argentine National Team. He played in 36 major tournament games for Argentina, scoring in just 8 of them, and getting shut out in 28. That means the great Maradona was shut out in 78% of the games he played for the Argentine national team. Only twice in 7 tournaments did he score more than 2 goals.
In the 1990 World Cup, Argentina was runner up scoring just 5 goals in 7 matches, including a loss to Camaroon. In 3 of 7 games, they scored zero goals, and needing penalty kicks to beat Italy, Romania, & Yugoslavia. Against Yugoslavia, Maradona missed a PK, almost costing Argentina the game. They were 2-3-2 with the great Diego Maradona scoring zero goals the entire tournament. And yet, they made it to the championship game.
There is no doubt Maradona is an incredible player. But, ONE good tournament in his entire career does not make him better than Messi, who has outclassed him on every single stage. He may not have a World Cup or Copa trophy, but he's done more to help his teams get in position to win than any Argentine before. In the 2015 Copa, he had 4 goals in the run up to the Final vs Chile. That game when to PKs. Messi made his, Higuain & Benega missed theirs. They lost. In the 2016 Copa, he had 5 goals & 4 assists in 6 games. In the Final, he played a beautiful pass to Higuain, who flat out whiffed from 7' out. Higuain then blew an incredible one-on-one breakaway vs Bravo. If Higuain doesn't screw up either golden opportunity, Argentina are Champions in regulation. It's not like Messi doesn't show up. 5 goals/assists in the 2014 World Cup, 4 goals/assists in the 2015 Copa, 9 goals/assists in the 2016 Copa. They make the Final of each tournament.
The other thing that bears mentioning is that Maradona's brilliance in 1986 fundamentally altered Argentine soccer for the worse. After that tournament, an emphasis was put on youth coaches pushing their best athletes into scoring positions. As such, the lesser players went into defense, center mid, etc. Watch any of the games from the 1986 WC. Argentina had an outstanding defense and played the ball forward well. Then, go watch all of the teams Messi has played on. All of the talent is up front. They are consistently poor in the defensive half.......not to mention Messi has had 9 National Team coaches in his 16 year career, which is absurd.
I can't believe you wrote that much on a Longhorn Football message board. Dude, YOU are committed!
1. Lionel Messi
2. Pelé
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Maradona
5. Zidane
6. Johan Cruyff
7. Ronaldo
8. Alfredo di Stéfano
9. Ronaldinho
10. really not sure who I'd put here
and your answer to the question I've been dealing with... his lack of international success with country?
I have pretty close to a photographic memory for data. So, my brain is full of the most random (and often, worthless) details. Most of what I type, while long-ish, doesn't actually take much time, because it flows from memory.
It's a rarity, but it happened. Great quarterback play can almost overcome all.
Didn’t read through the whole thread, but how does a 10 year contract make sense — either for Meyer or for The University — for a guy who’s wife doesn’t want him to coach anymore, who has a health question mark, and who has never coached at any one place that long in the past before getting burned out and/or looking for greener pastures?
Agree that you did not read through the thread. 10 years is not an expectation from anyone as far as his tenure as a coach, just the longer the contract the less likely it can be used as a cudgel on the recruiting trail.
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