Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (About the quarterbacks... Part III)

[welfarr]

Biggest thing buried in what Ketch wrote: Mich St took 20 players thru the portal! Shore up this team Sark! Only slight disagreement with Ketch , this is THE worst Texas Oline I have ever witnessed. Just completely outmanned. aggy has been taking our cornbread with the Oline recruiting since Sherman was there. We will start beating the minnows again when we have vastly superior talent than the minnows. That is when you will see Texas favored by 20+ pts over the middle of the Big 12. That is not the case right now.. Jimmies and Joes.

 

[Ketchum]

What’s a BCS bowl? Is this 2010?

Major bowl game.

You can bounce up out of this thread. I've seen enough of you for the night.

 

[Ketchum]

Biggest thing buried in what Ketch wrote: Mich St took 20 players thru the portal! Shore up this team Sark! Only slight disagreement with Ketch , this is THE worst Texas Oline I have ever witnessed. Just completely outmanned. aggy has been taking our cornbread with the Oline recruiting since Sherman was there. We will start beating the minnows again when we have vastly superior talent than the minnows. That is when you will see Texas favored by 20+ pts over the middle of the Big 12. That is not the case right now.. Jimmies and Joes.

It's not worse than the 2017 OL.

I'm basing this on Alex's actual snap by snap reviews.

 

[Coelacanth]

Winning a BCS bowl in 2018 was meaningful, no?

No, not in the context of developing winning habits program-wide that remain with the program today. Leading up to the game, you emphasized Georgia's lack of desire to play in the game.

 

[Ketchum]

No, not in the context of developing winning habits program-wide that remain with the program today. Leading up to the game, you emphasized Georgia's lack of desire to play in the game.

That team wasn't. better than UGA, but it was that night.

It was also more physical and mentally tough that night.

Good habits to learn from.

 

[Big Bertha]

It's time to figure out who next year's qb is going to be. Card needs some major playing time from here on out. Are all the coaches on multi year contracts? Sure seems like Texas eats more money from this than anyone with all the assistant firings the last few years. Can't seem to get it right from the beginning. I hate the term "rainmakers" when it come to recruiting, but we need some. Get Samples on board soon and maybe it helps with the Duncanville kids along with receiver recruits.

 

[Ketchum]

It's time to figure out who next year's qb is going to be. Card needs some major playing time from here on out. Are all the coaches on multi year contracts? Sure seems like Texas eats more money from this than anyone with all the assistant firings the last few years. Can't seem to get it right from the beginning. I hate the term "rainmakers" when it come to recruiting, but we need some. Get Samples on board soon and maybe it helps with the Duncanville kids along with receiver recruits.

+1

 

[a_hornsfan]

@Ketchum I will be very honest. I’ve read this whole thread. I just don’t understand the point you are truly trying to make. Maybe answer a few of these..

1). Is the main point that the biggest failure of this season is giving up on Card too soon? I’d say I agree completely but wasn’t sure how you definitely feel.

2) Main point is that things are far worse this year than prior years and we have reason to be very worried.

3) Main point is to just drive home the narrative to not allow Atheltic department not be able to drive home the talent issue? If this is what you are trying to accomplish I understand that your obligation is to report but is also say it harms the Program. We need whatever excuse we can push to try to salvage this.

 

[Coelacanth]

That team wasn't. better than UGA, but it was that night.

It was also more physical and mentally tough that night.

Good habits to learn from.

Ok, but it would only be "habits" if it was repeated, which it wasn't. It was a one-off. And in any case, I don't see how that game is anything more than a veering, remote tangent to the 2021 team.

Our roster does have an issue with its overall mentality. A couple of one-off exceptions to that over the last decade doesn't change it.

 

[a_hornsfan]

It's time to figure out who next year's qb is going to be. Card needs some major playing time from here on out. Are all the coaches on multi year contracts? Sure seems like Texas eats more money from this than anyone with all the assistant firings the last few years. Can't seem to get it right from the beginning. I hate the term "rainmakers" when it come to recruiting, but we need some. Get Samples on board soon and maybe it helps with the Duncanville kids along with receiver recruits.

This is a ****ING AWESOME POST. I’d like it a thousand times if I could. @Ketchum you just should edit this into your column 😃😃

 

[Ketchum]

@Ketchum I will be very honest. I’ve read this whole thread. I just don’t understand the point you are truly trying to make. Maybe answer a few of these..

1). Is the main point that the biggest failure of this season is giving up on Card too soon? I’d say I agree completely but wasn’t sure how you definitely feel.

2) Main point is that things are far worse this year than prior years and we have reason to be very worried.

3) Main point is to just drive home the narrative to not allow Atheltic department not be able to drive home the talent issue? If this is what you are trying to accomplish I understand that your obligation is to report but is also say it harms the Program. We need whatever excuse we can push to try to salvage this.

1. The biggest failure? It has a chance to be if CT doesn't start playing better and Card never hits the field again.

2. Main point is that this staff and team haven't been good enough, I place the blame around throughout.

3. Main point is to just live in reality. This is a team with the talent to be a Top 25ish team. It's 4-4.

 

[Ketchum]

Ok, but it would only be "habits" if it was repeated, which it wasn't. It was a one-off. And in any case, I don't see how that game is anything more than a veering, remote tangent to the 2021 team.

Our roster does have an issue with its overall mentality. A couple of one-off exceptions to that over the last decade doesn't change it.

I agree it has mentality issues. That doesn't mean it has a "culture of losing", which has been a narrative today.

 

[TexLex]

This is not a Good Team that Sark inherited.

If you took the 2020 team and in its place had Casey Thompson instead of Sam Ehlinger, Chris Jones instead of Sam Cosmi, and Alfred Collins instead of Joseph Ossai, (but inserted Xavier Worthy for Brennan Eagles) would Herman's final team have finished 7-3; or more like 5-5 or maybe even 4-6? If they had finished 5-5 would everyone be saying Sark inherited a good team? NO

 

[jttexas05]

Not shocked, but I'd be surprised.

I think it's more of a "PK, dude, you gotta adjust to the players you have" when Sark has a sit-down with him.

If he continues to suck next year, then he's obviously done at some point.

 

[nismo265]

8-4 represents pretty good.

7-3 was pretty good.

Winning a BCS bowl in 2018, which a lot of these players were a part of, was pretty good.

25 wins over the previous three seasons was pretty good.

“8-4 represents pretty good.” When you have essentially two guaranteed non-con wins and Kansas on the schedule, you‘re going 5-4 in the remaining 9 games, but sure.

“7-3 was pretty good.” Again, when the season effectively ended against Iowa State, Texas was 5-3 overall, 4-3 in conference play with every conference game but one being a coin-flip one score game. That’s nothing more than an average team. You know that the games against Kansas State and Colorado meant nothing.

Kudos to Texas for beating a Georgia team that had no interest in being in New Orleans.

“25 wins over the previous three seasons was pretty good.” I’d say this is a very oversimplified metric to use in support of your position, which relies heavily on the 2018 season. The 2019 and 2020 seasons were effectively over when Texas could no longer make it to the conference title game. 4-4 in 2019, 4-3 in 2020. So essentially for the past two seasons, this team was a .500 ball club against teams not named Kansas and not in the Group of 5.

 

[Ketchum]

This is not a Good Team that Sark inherited.

If you took the 2020 team and in its place had Casey Thompson instead of Sam Ehlinger, Chris Jones instead of Sam Cosmi, and Alfred Collins instead of Joseph Ossai, (but inserted Xavier Worthy for Brennan Eagles) would Herman's final team have finished 7-3; or more like 5-5 or maybe even 4-6? If they had finished 5-5 would everyone be saying Sark inherited a good team? NO

Do you have a post from the off-season where you shared these exact same thoughts or is it only now when the team is 4-4?

 

[bevo barry]

Thanks for the heads up. I might give one of those a chance.

If forced to start with one... wihich one?

Maybe Servant … the episodes are just under half an hour long each, so it’s a fast watch. You’ll know by the end of episode 1 if this is your cup of tea.

I’m a space-race junkie — I was in elementary school when we launched Alan Shepard into space, and was about to matriculate at UT when Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the moon — so I think For All Mankind is the better of the two, but where Mankind really shines is in season 2, so if you are “meh” about season 1 ya gotta keep at it.

I forgot to mention in my other post that I liked Losing Alice for two reasons: I enjoy foreign fare which often approaches things and ends them differently than Hollywood. And Losing Alice has a definite Fatal Attraction vibe as well.

 

[Ketchum]

“8-4 represents pretty good.” When you have essentially two guaranteed non-con wins and Kansas on the schedule, you‘re going 5-4 in the remaining 9 games, but sure.

“7-3 was pretty good.” Again, when the season effectively ended against Iowa State, Texas was 5-3 overall, 4-3 in conference play with every conference game but one being a coin-flip one score game. That’s nothing more than an average team. You know that the games against Kansas State and Colorado meant nothing.

Kudos to Texas for beating a Georgia team that had no interest in being in New Orleans.

“25 wins over the previous three seasons was pretty good.” I’d say this is a very oversimplified metric to use in support of your position, which relies heavily on the 2018 season. The 2019 and 2020 seasons were effectively over when Texas could no longer make it to the conference title game. 4-4 in 2019, 4-3 in 2020. So essentially for the past two seasons, this team was a .500 ball club against teams not named Kansas and not in the Group of 5.

Say what you want, but the team hasn't played .500 football and lost three straight since the year after Charlie left.

What's happening right now isn't good enough by any definition of the subjective read on the results from recent seasons.

 

[a_hornsfan]

I just don’t understand why Sark is so damn tied to Casey. @Ketchum what the hell am I missing. He had a couple good games against pushovers and one great quarter against OU. He’s done little to suggest why he should be the man after our coach chose THE OTHER GUY after watching them both for 8 damn months. I think Casey is an ok win at best. He misses throws and my biggest problem is his lack of willingness to pick up the first down with his legs with needed. Two different times against Baylor he had chances to move the chains with runs but he chose to try to win with his arm. Simply not acceptable, especially considering his lack of success in general when throwing the football.

 

[finchwagoniii]

@Ketchum the actual elephant in the room is college coaches treat black players different than they treat white players. Level 1 (and don't try to debate me)


Sorry boys, that's the way the world works these days...Card deserves another shot but it's not so easy.

 

[Ketchum]

I just don’t understand why Sark is so damn tied to Casey. @Ketchum what the hell am I missing. He had a couple good games against pushovers and one great quarter against OU. He’s done little to suggest why he should be the man after our coach chose THE OTHER GUY after watching them both for 8 damn months. I think Casey is an ok win at best. He misses throws and my biggest problem is his lack of willingness to pick up the first down with his legs with needed. Two different times against Baylor he had chances to move the chains with runs but he chose to try to win with his arm. Simply not acceptable, especially considering his lack of success in general when throwing the football.

I think it's more anti-putting Card into the game after Sark's confidence and trust in him was destroyed than it is automatically a pro-CT vibe.

 

[Ketchum]

@Ketchum the actual elephant in the room is college coaches treat black players different than they treat white players. Level 1 (and don't try to debate me)


Sorry boys, that's the way the world works these days...Card deserves another shot but it's not so easy.

 

[jttexas05]

I think it's more anti-putting Card into the game after Sark's confidence and trust in him was destroyed than it is automatically a pro-CT vibe.

Did Sark not ever consider a redshirt freshman on his first ever road start in a hostile environment may not perform well?

Is that not really uncommon for a coach to completely abandon ship in Week 2 after you invested months into him being the starter and he was picked over Thompson for a reason?

It gets weirder with every passing week and Casey's play regressing.

 

[a_hornsfan]

I think it's more anti-putting Card into the game after Sark's confidence and trust in him was destroyed than it is automatically a pro-CT vibe.

Which seems pretty silly considering the stats and results CT has put up. Just makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

[curtis7mills]

Like the double-digit win from a year ago.

Maybe Oklahoma State. He'd one the last two against them.

Stop it….Baylor was 2-7 last year. Against OSU….oh wait, that was Ossai making the winning play. Last I checked Sark doesn't have him on this year’s squad. Which is my point….Sark doesn't have the pieces Herman had last year. Those pieces help win games.

 

[a_hornsfan]

Maybe this is how it goes @Ketchum

1) CT loses a fourth straight game at ISU
2) Card reinserted back into the lineup.
3) Texas wins a couple in a row.

Allows you to use the narrative that the ship has been righted. “Just needed time for our freshman qb to get it together.”

Could help generate some momentum to possibly get a couple more OL and Evan Stewart.

 

[podo87]

Again, the program finished the season ranked three times in the last three years and twice inside the top 20.

That's not garbage.

But it is. We have been hot garbage for a decade plus.

 

[Keep Fred]

If we had Baylor or Oklahoma State’s offensive line (ie a solid but not elite OL), I think the overwhelming majority of our problems on offense go away. Recruiting recruiting recruiting.

But I’m dumbfounded about the problems on defense. The problems there seem systemic and much harder to solve.

 

[podo87]

Breaks are part of football. The 2005 team caught breaks to go undefeated and win the national title and it was one of the best in the history of the sport.

Lulz what breaks? The closest game we played all year was at OSU. The Aggie game blew but was still a double digit victory.

 

[podo87]

I am sitting here trying to wrap my brain around how in a week we will likely be 4-5. This is Charlie Strong bad.

It’s cute and funny to troll with comments like this but Charlie Strong was and will remain the absolute worst coach in the history of this program and it won’t be close.

 

[tyrone0803]

Thanks for the heads up. I might give one of those a chance.

If forced to start with one... wihich one?

For All Mankind is great. Highly recommend it.

 

[aahorn8234]

I didn't say he sucked.

I wrote that he has been struggling.

I can't hold your hand through this, but I guess I can try.

Even if he hasnt “sucked” he’s had 3 straight weeks with opportunities to help save this season at the end of games and just didn’t even get close to doing it. And he’s a junior…

 

[nismo265]

Say what you want, but the team hasn't played .500 football and lost three straight since the year after Charlie left.

What's happening right now isn't good enough by any definition of the subjective read on the results from recent seasons.

What’s happening right now is literally quite the same as what this team did the past two years before the season effectively ended: playing coin flip games every week and being a .500 or just above .500 ball club. It was 2-4 against ranked opponents the last two seasons, and OU wasn’t even ranked when they played last year.

In Herman’s four seasons, Texas went 1-4 in regular season non-conference games against Power 5 schools. If my memory is correct, Texas hasn’t won a regular season non-conference game away from home since 2012 at Ole Miss. The Arkansas result just followed the trend.

You mentioned earlier that 8-4 is pretty good…..Texas could win the next four games and go 8-4 (not saying they will). Yet everyone who watched the games would know that’s not a pretty good season. The season effectively ended October 30th, and the only win against a ranked opponent would be against Louisiana. Context really matters.

 

[HornHammer]

Here's why (& it's important imo) you go to Card.

The offense has been ineffective in the 2nd half & especially the 4th quarter.

We now (w 5) are the Champs at losing leads in the 2nd half. The offense HAS to keep the pressure on. Because...

The Defense sucks.

 

[LonghornsLegend]

Bijan took a chance on us over Ohio St and I'll always be grateful to him for it, but this is how we repayed him. Meanwhile Ohio St is again in the CFP picture as always. Our goodwill with recruits is dried up and we may as well figure out how to win with 3 stars before we expect this staff, or a new one to beat elite programs for anyone. We've gotta be the easiest program to recruit against.