I didn't take it as an attack on me.
I just gave my response to it.
The "how" its done is the mystery secret sauce. It requires a lot of patience and good coaching and an elite strength and conditioning program.
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I just gave my response to it.
The "how" its done is the mystery secret sauce. It requires a lot of patience and good coaching and an elite strength and conditioning program.
There's way less buzz about that happening than the 25 man going away.
But, this is unchartered territory.
I have no idea. I'm sure I could ball park it if I tried.
My brain just doesn't want to operate it right now.
Obviously. And that’s not unique to Texas. Of course, any coach is going to attempt to bring in the best possible players available. But available is the key word. First, there are only so many NFL-caliber players available. Second, some coaches/schools cannot attract the very best players they desire. Third, some times evaluations of players are flawed.
In terms of the relevancy of “star” rankings done by recruiting services, they are entertaining and often reflective of a player’s potential. But i think it is safe to say that actual coaches are every bit as good evaluators of talent as say, you, if not better (at least as far as their needs/fit). Of course, again, there is only so much talent available.
Coaches and the services have roughly the same success rate. They go hand in hand.
One doesn't get off the hook because the other is on it. Both fail significantly more than they hit.
That’s not surprising at all. The recruiting services, particularly these days, are pretty sophisticated.
Ryan,
I am not actually disagreeing with the general direction Ketch is suggesting for the FUTURE of college football recruiting NOW that the portal gates have been thrown wide open and with NIL. I am contesting his historical evaluations of players and their "worth" to a team and "value" as a prospect based SOLELY on whether or not the player got drafted, and using that a measuring stick to wheter or not a 3 Star or Low-Mid 4 Star is a good get these days or not.
From just the DT haul...
2003 Thomas Marshall, 2004 Derek Lokey, 2006 Ben Alexander, 2007 Tyrell Higgins, 2007 Michael Wilcoxon, 2010 Deaires Cotton, 2012 Brandon Moore, 2012 Alex Norman, 2014 Chris Nelson, 2014 Poona Ford, 2015 Du'Vonta Lampkin, 2016 Jordan Elliott, 2016 Gerald Wilbon, 2016 Marcel Southall
I think only 1 or 2 of the last 6 have graduated.
The three-stars are just coming in and out of the program with too much speed these days.
The thing is.,.. other than Poona Ford, Lil'Jordan Humphrey and a couple of others, who are you standing on the table for as quality players?
The problem isn't that these guys aren't getting credit for their contributions, it's that they were asked to contribute too much in the first place.
But wait, he was a DE who was 6'4" and 245 lbs - he is supposed to have a 50% shot at being NFL drafted according to your research, right??? ;-)
This shows a complete lack of understanding for the conversation taking place.
Colt was still either the No.1 or No.2 quarterback in the state. The value of such things was not known in 2005.
Feels like cave man years.
that's correct, Colt was certainly not an unheralded recruit. he still owns the 2A passing record and is 4th overall. he was a first team All-State selection and led Jim Ned to the 2003 2A title game losing to San Augustine.
one other thing stats can't predict, McCoy is a good person. character matters. McCoy was one player Mack Brown never worried about when he went to sleep at night.
No it is merely exhibit 1,894 of you desperately trying to look like the smartest guy in the room.
Would you rather have a 3 or low tier 4 star freshman take a roster spot who has a 1 in 10 chance of developing into a NFL prospect over a college sophomore that's shown he can play at the college level and manage school and everything else that goes along with it? Which do you think is going to more consistently help you win championships?
The soundtrack with it is well down. Very good story coordination. It’s at least worth giving a shot. There’s a reason it’s one of the best shows around
I'm not the smartest guy in the room.
However, I probably have a stronger grasp of this discussion, the metrics involved in player success in recruiting and how it relates to Texas football better than anyone on the planet.
Having a PHD in one thing doesn't mean you're the smartest person in the world. It just means you are an expert in a particular field.
I’m one of the five math nerds ketch is talking about
Five years from now any program not using the system he’s proposing here will be dinosaurs and fired of the 85 man limit still exists
yep. Daniel is also a high character person. Gary Pinkel didn't need to worry about him. given what he started with Pinkel did a very good job at Mizzzu. these days they probably would have fired him after the 2004 season. that would have been a mistake given what he accomplished from 2005 to 2011 in the Big 12. too bad he had to retire for health reasons after the 2015 season.
There was a guy that Texas was recruiting in 2008 or 2009... I can't remember, but he was a super religious kid and his family was worried about him coming on his official visit to Texas.
So, when he arrived he the coaches put him with Colt and Jordan. They took him bowling, while everyone else that weekend got buck wild. They drank milk.
Geoff - No issues here with me. If the majority of your readers like this continuing analysis, stick with it. Best, Evytime
A three star football player who did not get drafted married my college sweetheart and I am stilled pissed. He thinks he is a macho guy because he played football at UT. Wasn't all conference, didn't play much. Did I mentioned I am still pissed? And they ended up getting a divorce. Did I mention I am stilled pissed?
Hey, the off-season is almost over.
Looking forward to writing about football on the field.
