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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (Future-casting Arch to Texas)
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I just looked and there are no crystal balls in for Manning on 247's network yet.
Let me fill in the blanks.
Bane is a former member of the League of Shadows. His hate for Batman was a part of a bigger plan to realize the goal of (The League of Assassins) & avenge Ras El Ghoul's death, which was in Batman Begins. The plan was put together by his daughter Talia, whom Bane has always loved and protected. Bane also believed Gothman was corrupt.
Bane never intended to give the city back to the people. That was never an option. He wanted Bruce to watch Gotham suffer. That is why there was a TV in Bruce's cell.
There has always been an attraction between Batman and Cat Woman. That's nothing new. Talia al Ghul's character was necessary because she couldn't engage in a physical battle. She attacks Batman's emotions.
Bruce's back was thrown back into place with a rope after Bane broke it. Was it realistic? I mean how realistic does a comic book movie need to be? lol
Sorry, this scene is far from forgettable.
No, I understand the basic plot just fine. It's just a big jumbled mess that isn't exactly explored beyond some fairly minimal surface stuff.
However...
1. How did Bane find out about Batman's Identity and Applied Sciences?
These are pretty major questions and while you can hint at the possibilities, there are plot holes in all of them. There's no way he should have known about Applied Sciences.
How did this huge plan/con even begin? It's kind of a critical question when you consider that Talia Al Ghul is a major part of the plot.
2. Wayne's recovery from his body being broken in half takes place in a couple of week's, basically. It totally defies logic.
3. How the hell did Bruce Wayne get back to Gotham from the middle of India?
4. The scene where Bane makes fraudulent trades... yeah... the SEC would just overturn those. Duh.
5. How in the world does Wayne end up falling for Talia Al Ghul? It makes zero sense that they ended up together?
6. Are the police really as stupid in real life as to commit every officer on the force to going into the sewers? That makes zero sense.
I could go on and on and on... there are just some serious weak spots in the movie and the story-telling that ask us to make brain leaps that smart films aren't supposed to make you have to make.
Like I said, there's very explanation into motives... like real explanations.
Also, I really like the movie. I'm just explaining why it falls down the pecking order a little for me.
Yup. You could pick holes in any comic book movie. This movie doesn’t get the credit it deserves IMO. It’s damn close to TDK in my mind and both are very rewatchable, which is a factor for me. When I’m comparing I often think, which would I rather rewatch? And the Bane character was great, his dialogue all mattered, though it didn’t have to be plentiful. The voice I think is pretty damn appropriate for the role and one great example of his use of dialogue and voice is in the “do you feel in charge” scene as you see his hand placed on Daggets shoulder and you hear him take a breath before saying it. Greatness.
There's a difference between picking holes and the holes already being gulf-wide open.
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1. From IMDB:
"How did Bane and Talia learn Batman's true identity, and did the original League survive?
"Bane was part of the League of Shadows- the same organization Bruce was part of- and so if Bane and Talia took over the League of Shadows after Ra's al Ghul's death, they would have learned this from existing members. In the sewer fight, Bane knows that Bruce betrayed the League; he wouldn't know this unless the League members informed him. Plus, in the judicial hall scene, Talia mentioned Bruce "murdered" her father; so that means the League members that were with Ra's in their previous Gotham attack survived, escaped and informed her. We neither see nor hear dialogue about the League after Ra's death in the first film, Batman Begins; that is because the League members escaped and survived. This is confirmed with Alfred asking Bruce, "Who leads them now?", in their conversation about the League in this third film, The Dark Knight Rises. And the League consists of mercenary members originally too since in Batman Begins, when Bruce first enters the temple, we see some League members holding assault weapons and wearing colored scarfs. Likewise, we see similarly dressed and armed League members descending the pit in the flashback scene in The Dark Knight Rises."
2. Doesn't a billionaire wearing a cape and fighting crime at night defy logic? It's a fantasy movie.
3. "The Bat. If you recall, the last he used it before being broken by Bane was when he rescued Selina from the rooftops. After that, he flew it back to the batcave and parked it on the pedestal. He managed to direct the autopilot to his position and flew it back to Gotham. That's why, the next time we see it, it's parked on the roof of a tower (where, uncoincidentally, Bruce and Fox talk specifically about the autopilot)."
4. It was the Gotham Stock Exchange, not NYSE lol
5. They were both super-rich, she ended up rescuing him, and Alfred did tell Bruce that Rachel wasn't that into him. I can't remember when Alfred told him in the movie but dude had been locked up in his room for a while and she was willing to sleep with him pretty quickly?
In other words, P---- is undefeated 😂
6. Clearly, that defies common sense. I'll give you that one.
So, there are clear nuances to this movie that only the most diehard fans will understand. I have good working knowledge but every question you have can probably be answered in this video.
Again, it’s a super hero movie with a lot going on and without adding a ton of length and focusing more on watchability I’m sure cuts were made. I’m think the focus for me is I can make basic assumptions that don’t require much thought and focus on the parts that really make it interesting and entertaining. I don’t need everything spelled out for this kind of movie when certain basic assumptions and capabilities are inherent. It’s just a more entertaining movie than most of the others listed, little plot doinks notwithstanding that I’m sure I could go dig up on the rest.
Agreed. Every fantasy based movie will have holes that you’ll have to dig to and get the answers. I get lost in Star Wars movies for the same reason. But the plot, action, captivating characters, of Dark Knight Rises worked for a lot of people (9 out of 10 audience member and critics).
She was FUN. Delightful to watch. She enjoyed her capers. It was just a blast. And she had an arc where she changed through the movie. She went back because of Batman's influence on her.
Kravitz Catwoman was just wallowing and oppression
The villains to me are just a means to the Batman story.
And Bane is just a hired thug to do Talia's bidding. Maybe there could've been more motivation, but eh..the movie was long enough already. I thought he was intimidating and interesting as-is. I didn't care about more myself.
Well yes that's why The Dark Knight is my least favorite of the Nolan trilogy. It has the least to do with Batman. 'Dark middle chapter' syndrome.
The back thing may be a plot hole, but, elmo shrug, it's a Batman movie. He wears a cape and swings around in the sky and has a Batmobile. I believe that he's there for months, though. And he's tended to for a while. I'm not sure as the details are fuzzy, but he's there for a very long time. The next time we see Gotham the seasons have completely shifted.
Maybe Wayne wasn't in Italy. Maybe he died, and that was just Alfred seeing what he always wanted to see. Notice that shot is only ever shown from Alfred's perspective. If you want to believe Bruce survived, then he went there as a healing of-sorts between him and Alfred, as it was one of the last things Alfred said to him.
Exactly. I’m not using a scoresheet. I’m rating based off of the things that really matter for entertainment and being compelling, as long as I’m not completely lost, which isn’t the case here. Believability and dotting every I takes a back seat in many cases with these movies, just like Star Wars, etc. It’s funny the things that people will accept and not accept in a super hero movie. Lol.
Return of the King wrap up scenes were cathartic and powerful and emotional, giving closure to dozens of characters who spanned a nearly 12-hour trilogy. The Batman is none of those.
But I do think the tone of The Batman fits in just perfectly with the tone and feel of The Joker movie.
Did you copy and paste these from a website that has plot holes? How could you possibly remember these minor nitpicks from the last time you watched the movie. And also, the movie is so beautiful to watch and interesting and exciting and heartfelt, how are you even stopping to think about some of this stuff.
1. Someone told him?
2. I think it's longer
3. He's Batman
4. There's no SEC in Gotham. Duh
5. She's hot
6. People and groups make dumb decisions all the time. Hindsight 20/20
Thank you thank you. I mentioned both these points to Ketch and he discounted them both. That "feel in charge" scene is awesome, and shows you so much you need to know - almost all you need to know - about Bane. And the rewatchability / the enjoyability of a movie is worth a lot to me. Film critics rate high movies all the time that no one would ever want to watch again. ET lost the Best Picture Oscar to Gandhi, a movie that no one watched ever except 11th grade History class and maybe Ketch (not a dig, I'm just assuming he will respond to this and say he loves Gandhi and watches it every Christmas)
I am with you on some of these. I have seen about 3 or 4 of that list and can’t remember enough to tell them apart.I feel excluded by these pop culture lists I know nothing about.
Top 10 conceal carry sidearms or top 10 domestic beers maybe?
Also on the voice of Bane, I think you have to differentiate from the breathy deep Darth Vader mask voice but with a similar effect and Bane’s voice tweaks it to more of a creepy and more psycho sounding tone, which works IMO.
1. I don't think that answers the question because there are holes in the theory.
It also doesn't answer how he knew about Applied Sciences. Lucius Fox tells us it was off the books.
2. There's fantasy and then there's non-sense. His having recovered from a broken back in horrible conditions without any real rehab in a matter of weeks is the latter, no?
Do you buy the recovery timeline?
3. "He managed to direct the autopilot to his position and flew it back to Gotham."
I'm sorry, he did what?
4. same difference. Doesn't change the point, no matter how many lols are in your response. That scene falls under the category of non-sense.
5. There's no story development that would lead to that love interest sidebar story. It's done with the deft touch of a drunk bear. One minute they are in the rain. The next minute she's let the man she detests to no end have carnal knowledge of her. It's meant to serve as a builder of the betrayal he feels when he learns about her involvement, but he barely knows her well enough to be devastated. There's little time spent developing that storyline.
6. I'm not used to conceding a point. I don't know how to react.
I've seen all of these movies a couple dozen times. I'm not some jackweed that doesn't know anything about the series.
It's a very entertaining movie. One that asks me to not ask questions when its star has his back broken and recovers in a few weeks.
Was she compelling or was she fun?
It sounds to me like you just like Anne Hathaway, which is fine, but there's a reason why her character isn't remembered as the best female performance from the series.
Your least favorite Nolan movie from the series is the overwhelming choice as the best movie in the history of the Batman genre for most.
This hot take explains our disconnect.
I think I've seen the movies too many times. I'm asking questions the more times I do.
Return of the King could have been 30 minutes shorter. It goes long in wrapping up the story. That's the point.
