What are the components of arm talent ?
Strength
Accuracy
Quick release
Arm angle at different moments ?
That’s what I can think of.
Watch Murphy closely. He has all the above. And a stronger arm than Card. Card has the other components as well.
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Strength
Accuracy
Quick release
Arm angle at different moments ?
That’s what I can think of.
Watch Murphy closely. He has all the above. And a stronger arm than Card. Card has the other components as well.
Would you expect anything less?
Been saying CT is better than most realize since watching his HS highlights (granted, highlights can be deceiving). . . .and while the "tape" we fans can see is limited. . . .it is also pretty clear.
None of those coaches are still here.
And if that was true, why did they turn to CT in the Alamo Bowl instead of Card?
Sometimes what people do talks so loud, we can't hear what they are saying.
Again, I will cheer the kid in Burnt Orange under center.
All of those things you mentioned. I love Murphy's arm talent. I just don;'t think he's superior to Card, who has the ability to throw better on the move and with different arm angles.
Card is special.
The '10-'11 team was better than the ''06-'07 squad. To be clear, one team got blasted in round 2, while the '10-'11 got hosed in round 2 against an ARizona team that proceeded to blast #1 seed Duke in the Sweet 16.
Sark is a QB whisperer. Based on his track record, I believe he could turn you into a serviceable college QB by the start of fall camp. I assume he sees a great deal in Murphy he can mold into one helluva a quarterback. Until shown otherwise, I will ride with Sark.
I agree. I also think Card is better than Ewers, Klubnik and Weigman. Given Card’s superior number of game reps in HS I rank them as such:
1. Card
2. Murphy
3. Weigman
4. Klubnik
5. Ewers.
Trust me if Murphy played three seasons at southlake and played the reps Ewers did he would be way higher than anyone on list. I agree with you Cali HS football doesn’t prepare you like Texas HS football at QB position.
Interesting framing of "standards." I realize you are desperate for validation of "damn good coach," but using very subjective rankings is an odd standard but understandable given it it's confirmation bias. Let's look at an objective standard, conference finish.
In 17 seasons, Barnes finished 3rd or better in the Big 12 ELEVEN times. EIGHT times he finished 2nd or better. THREE times he finished first or T1.
IN 10 seasons, Penders finished 3rd or better in the SWC EIGHT times. FIVE times he finished 2nd or better. THREE times he finished 1st or T1.
Shaka's finished 3rd now once in 6 seasons.
Let's not be intellectually dishonest. Great, Shaka's best team, EASILY, finished 3rd. Barring another extraordinary set of circumstances that leads to a similar roster makeup, not sure that bodes well for the future.
Great point. Apples to oranges. Can’t really compare 17 yo to 20 yo. But Murphy is that special. Look at his body. Grown ass man. And I empathize the Ass part.
I'm not, actually.
He's been a failure so far at Texas, but this was a very good regular season based on the history of the program.
With you until that ass part; then I backed away a bit.
I can compare the 17-year old version of Card that existed vs. 17-year old Murphy.
Sure it did. I mean, let's compare their regular seasons:
'10-'11 25-6/13-3 Solo 2nd. There are TWO other Texas hoops teams that won more than 25 regular season games, and NEITHER is the Final Four team. Had B2B December wins AT Greensboro against UNC and AT East Lansing. Snapped a however long win streak of KU's at the Phog. CRUSHED aggy (both times ranked) by a combined 41 points.
'06-'07 22-8/12-4. solo 3rd. Didn't beat KU. Got hammered by aggy in B/CS by 18. No real earth-shattering OOC wins.
How is this even a discussion?
Obviously "very" is subjective, but this regular season, IMO, was "good." Not "very good." If we're being intellectually honest and using a proper timeframe of the the previous two coaches which is where Texas really began to tap into it's basketball potential, this season is good. Not "very good." Thirteen seasons under Penders/Barnes finished with more than 11 conference wins. Four more finished with 11 conference wins.
I punished the season that had an end of the season collapse that cost it the Big 12 title.
I think conference wins as the deciding dynamic is a bit flimsy because....
a. some years the league is tougher than others. I'd argue Texas finishing third this year is a tougher achievement than Barnes' team winning a weak conference in his first year.
b. Penders' years in a mostly weak SWC makes it hard to compare apples to apples.
I personally prefer the seeding component of comparing the teams because it reveals what the NCAA committee viewed their seasons to be in conjunction with the rest of the nation. It eliminates any murky areas involved with comparing one team that played in a tough league vs. one that didn't.
Ok. I guess. Still wrong. Literally no objective measure favors the '06-'07 regular season over the '10-11 regular season.
For the love of God, not everything is racial. Please let it stop.
I'm not saying it's THE answer, but a lot of these seasons are so close that it helps put the season into perspective.
I believe you could. The most sobering part of your analysis was the comparison of the relative values of West Coast vs. Texas highly-ranked quarterbacks. This may result from what I remember John McKay, among others, bitching about California football back in the late '60s, to wit: there's just too much for kids to do in that state for them to be truly dedicated to football. I don't imagine things have changed that much in the interim.
Except for that one season is remembered for blowing a conference after starting 11-0 and the other isn't.
I was shocked by the results of the high four-star qbs from Cali. Those guys mostly performed like two stars in college.
Not sure you understand the meaning of "objective." But if you want to continue to believe that then be my guest. I can't help a person if they insist on being wrong.
The 4 times finishing better than 15th in both polls and the 4 times getting higher than a 4 seed didn't just occur over the last 57 years... they occurred during a 6 year stretch of the Rick Barnes era from the '02-'03 season to the '07-'08 season. During that stretch, we went to a Sweet 16, two Elite Eights and a Final Four. We won 13 tournament games for a record of 13-6. We finished 2nd, 2nd, 5th, 1st, 3rd, 1st in conference and had 25+ wins in 5 of the 6 seasons.
Rick showed us what Texas Basketball can be. The funny thing is, I would settle for way way less than what Rick did during that 6 season stretch. Making the tournament more than 50% of the time perhaps? Perhaps a single, solitary tournament win? Perhaps challenging for the conference title just once? In fact, I would absolutely take Rick Barnes's last 5 years at Texas (the ones he got fired for) over Shaka's first 5 seasons at Texas. He had a higher winning percentage (.624), higher conference winning percentage (.545), more NCAA tournament appearances (4) and more NCAA tournament wins (2) if you compare those two 5 year periods.
But to address what I think the point of your post was, be careful not to count your chickens before they hatch. As of your writing last night, Texas was not in the top 15 of both polls (15 in AP and 16 in Coaches). Chances are, they will be today, but they are not yet. Also, a loss to Texas Tech (the team that swept us and whose coach is 8-4 against Shaka) could easily send us right back outside the top 15 in either or both of the polls later this week. Losing to Tech would also likely drop us down to the 4 line... then both of your statements in your post no longer hold up. What if Texas flames out in the first weekend of the tournament? Might want to hold off and let the season play out before we try to compare this Texas team against the best of the Rick Barnes era. If they produce down the stretch, your post will be well taken, but seems pretty risky given Shaka's history in the tournament, save one season over a decade ago. You did hedge your statements, by why make the statements if you have to hedge like that? Why not just wait until we know this team lived up to its billing and its place in Texas basketball history?
Don't care how many times you try to sell me, Shaka sucks.
Honestly, as a person who very well followed that team significantly more than you, I can firmly say I don't remember that team remotely mainly due to that 9 day stretch of games. My guess is you probably didn't either until you starting looking up records. I remembered that team for the epic wins against the Heels and Sparty. I remember that team for the epic win at the Phog. I remember that team for smashing aggy. I remember that team, unfortunately, for getting hosed in the 2nd round. You wish to pick nits to justify making a statement that is not based on any objective data. So again, if you wish to be wrong then go ahead. I got actual facts on my side.
I am biased, bc I played with foles and had to listen to all the highland park kids rave about stafford like he was god.
