Agree. It’s weighted strong to QB in that mix... and I think Card’s ceiling is higher so that combo finishes ahead of aggy combo (without question for me)
Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (I might have reservations, but I'm not backing down now...)
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I agree totally. I got a lot of respect for Mock. He could have been great... He was great. True team player like Buchele but with way more upside talent wise IMO
I was in Detroit last week sitting in some bleachers watching every imaginable car that has ever existed cruise down the street, and the two guys sitting next to me were talking about how great Bobby Layne was. Of course, they were remembering him with the Lions and not the Longhorns.
In my book Layne is a solid No.2 on the list. He was the 3rd pick of the NFL's first round, consensus first team All America, four time All conference.
I’m not a historian, like yourself, however I thought Lowery’s name was Alan not Shane.
But I would point out that, had Alan made the list, he would have been the only person who was an all conference defensive back in addition to being an all conference quarterback during his career. He also happened to be the punter which probably would have given Coach Herman fits since he would be calling him “the punter” and he’d be playing Quarterback or Defensive back.
I know that was a lot of information that you probably already knew about Shane.
Brown over Layne is silliness.
Layne was consensus AA and finished 6th in the 47 Heisman. Same year he was Sugar Bowl MVP for a UT team that finished 10-1 and #5. Two years before he score ALL 40 points as Texas blew out Mizzou 40-27 in the Cotton.
I’ll always love JB for 95 aggy and 96 NU, but he wasn’t Layne.
Layne was consensus AA and finished 6th in the 47 Heisman. Same year he was Sugar Bowl MVP for a UT team that finished 10-1 and #5. Two years before he score ALL 40 points as Texas blew out Mizzou 40-27 in the Cotton.
I’ll always love JB for 95 aggy and 96 NU, but he wasn’t Layne.
Bobby Layne is in the college and pro halls of fame. In a special issue in 1995, Sports Illustrated called Layne "The Toughest Quarterback Who Ever Lived." In 1999, he was ranked number 52 on the Sporting News' list of Football's 100 Greatest Players.
I think the bigger issue is that they're struggling to get the top guys out of Florida. Most of them appear to be choosing SEC schools or FSU.
I think Florida is ok for now, but they do need a QB. They are ranked 8 and still on track. I don't put as much stock in game 1 as most, especially against a rival.
I think this is because ppl see how many D1 guys the state of Texas produces. Alabama, Clemson, Mich wouldn't come close to competing for a championship if they only recruited in-state talent.
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And the Texas OL will be better than the brokelahoma OL in 2019. And the Texas defense will be better than the brokelahoma defense in 2019.
Hook'em Horns!
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Everyone keeps saying they’ll have a crappy line. What’s this based off besides wishful thinking?
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B/S: Texas ends with another top-5 class
(Sell) That being said, a top-10 class has become very, very possible and I'm not sure how much I believed that 10 weeks ago.
for 2020?
Highly doubt that. Agree with Ketch about a top-10 class
This class should be somewhere around 22 or so, but I think it could bump up a little bit if they anticipate more attrition.It is likely Texas might add Jordan, Bunkley-Shelton, Hester and Collins. That will put us around 22-23 commits for the class with the possibility of adding one or two more.
Horns may not have the class size to sustain the rise from schools who finish hot down the stretch, but I think it’s likely they stay in top ten range. Regardless, Texas is in for another highly-ranked class if they can finish strong.
2021 is the class to watch out for.
B/S: Texas ends with another top-5 class
(Sell) That being said, a top-10 class has become very, very possible and I'm not sure how much I believed that 10 weeks ago.
for 2020?
Highly doubt that. Agree with Ketch about a top-10 class
This class should be somewhere around 22 or so, but I think it could bump up a little bit if they anticipate more attrition.It is likely Texas might add Jordan, Bunkley-Shelton, Hester and Collins. That will put us around 22-23 commits for the class with the possibility of adding one or two more.
Horns may not have the class size to sustain the rise from schools who finish hot down the stretch, but I think it’s likely they stay in top ten range. Regardless, Texas is in for another highly-ranked class if they can finish strong.
2021 is the class to watch out for.
I’m going to go out on a limb here, myself, and suggest that the Texas football “insiders” you’re communicating with are sitting somewhere near the fringe of irrelevance, at least as it relates to having their finger on the program’s pulse.
There’s absolutely no way you can convince me that a hyper-competitive coach like Tom Herman and those in his core circle even think of such nonsense like being a year away from anything. That’s loser talk, plain and simple, and the moment that kind of thought/talk/rationalisation enters the team psyche, you could see a 0-2 loss season quickly turn into 5 losses in a blink. Heck, every top college football program has injuries and holes to fill. Texas is no different and shouldn’t be given any benefit of the doubt.
I promise you Lincoln Riley and his staff don’t think they’re a year away from anything. Pure nonsense.
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I get Vince for a college QB, and I really really liked colt but how james street and bobby maybe aren’t 2 and 3 in your list is beyond me. One won an NC and was the heart and soul of that team, and was 20-0 otherwise. The other was the best longhorn NFL QB without question winning 3 NFL championships and 3 1st team all pro and all decade team. As a longhorn he was 4 time all SWC.
Jeez, how do you possibly pick colt over either much less james brown.
3 conference titles?!? Wtf? Please do not pull that aggy chit. Saying we won the title in 94 is crap. We split it with like 5 teams at 4-3 only because freaking aggy (6-0-1) was on probation. Then we did win the 95 title with a not great team and against the weakest SWC ever including tying a bafsooner team and a failing aggy team.
Then the miracle in 96 occurs where corn aggy totally takes us for granted. Again a fairly crappy team with barely a winning record, including a loss to 3-8 OU who also lost to Kansas and Tulsa that year, but beat Texas!
So yes Brown won two. Yawn. Worst years of the SWC ever!!! And one lucky game against Neb.
But just because you don’t remember Layne, don’t think you can characterize him. He won more games in the NFL than EVERY Longhorn QB in the NFL added together. Simply put there has never been a better QB to come out of UT. I can live with Vince but no is colt much less James ahead of Street or Bobby.
I don’t think he has the personality for TV play-by-play. Instead, I see him exercising the other side of his brain — the one that is an engineer at heart, with a Stanford education to boot. I suspect he’ll become active in giving back — sort of like Bill Gates, only with less money.
Too much kool-aid for me to drink this morning. There is no way that Sam has yet surpassed Simms and Applewhite on the all time UT depth chart.
Honestly, how would they really know?
He stopped playing in Detroit the year my mother was born.
He played in such an inferior era. What do we think James Brown would have done in the Southwest Conference if he had been allowed to play in the late 40s?
It's going to be an interesting season.
One one hand, it is absolutely true that Texas wasn't that far from 7-5 last year. They won a lost of close games. In addition, the computers do not seem to like Texas one bit heading into the season, and the oddsmakers have dropped the win total to 9. These are legitimate concerns.
On the other hand, our recruiting has been dramatically improved over the last couple years, and if Herman is really "the guy", I would expect Texas to take another step forward this year.
I'm going with 10-2.
One one hand, it is absolutely true that Texas wasn't that far from 7-5 last year. They won a lost of close games. In addition, the computers do not seem to like Texas one bit heading into the season, and the oddsmakers have dropped the win total to 9. These are legitimate concerns.
On the other hand, our recruiting has been dramatically improved over the last couple years, and if Herman is really "the guy", I would expect Texas to take another step forward this year.
I'm going with 10-2.
In a different era, he was sensational. In today's era, he'd have to play against significantly better players. I would contend Brown's accomplishments in 1995 and 1996 are far superior than anything Layne ever accomplished, with all due respect to what he accomplished.
I don't know if the reasons really mater. It's an unreasonable and short-sighted narrative.
Brown has more conference titles as a quarterback than Vince Young, Colt McCoy, Major Applewhite, Chris Simms and Sam Ehlinger combined.
Save me the yawn shit like winning conference titles is old hat around here.
Both players were much closer to being JAGs for the majority of their careers than anyone wants to admit around here.
Sam's 2018 season was better than any season that either of them ever had. Neither ever led the team to a major bowl. Neither ever produced a 40 touchdown season.
