Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (What makes a recruiting class successful?)
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Not to summon the spirit of a certain poster to re-appear here, but is what we've seen the "power spread" offense that we thought was gong to be implemented?
I'm not sure it's just a matter of touches. You just can't extrapolate KI's future total yards based on Watson's carries this year. His 4 ypc average may very well suffer with more carries as he racks up more TFL's and just more physical damage. Anyway, my comment agreeing with the other poster was more about Herman's run game history since he's been a head coach and less to do about KI and his running talents.
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I didn't forget anything. It's slightly apples to oranges. Despite all of the success that Saban has had, he doesn't do it within the framework that mack worked in.
Also, Mack wasn't dirty.
I'm on the fence, but I think they both stay.
Herman has a limited run game history. He's only been a head coach for four years,
- The hope within the building is this year's success on-the-field will help with the 2020 in-state class. We shall see.
- Andrew Cooker stepped off campus and immediately decided he was going to TCU? That stings.
- I don't think Texas and Oklahoma are locks to be in the Big 12 Championship Game because of the four-stars. Mike Gundy coaches the hell out of his three-stars. Dana Holgorsen is a good coach who has cornered the transfer market. Any of those programs can sneak into the championship game because they're led by good coaches.
- It will be interesting to see what Buechele does after the season. He will have definitely have options.
- Andrew Beck was only first-team offensive player on the the All Big-12 Team. Lil' Jordan Humphrey was honorable mention. Collin Johnson wasn't on the list. My point always was "for what they're asked to do ... " Clearly, Beck isn't a better athlete than LJH or Johnson, and the TE room isn't better than WR room. But I believe you recently said Beck has a chance to be drafted, and it's safe to say he exceeded your preseason expectations.
- We love Aaron Rodgers, but this has been tough to watch.
- Andrew Cooker stepped off campus and immediately decided he was going to TCU? That stings.
- I don't think Texas and Oklahoma are locks to be in the Big 12 Championship Game because of the four-stars. Mike Gundy coaches the hell out of his three-stars. Dana Holgorsen is a good coach who has cornered the transfer market. Any of those programs can sneak into the championship game because they're led by good coaches.
- It will be interesting to see what Buechele does after the season. He will have definitely have options.
- Andrew Beck was only first-team offensive player on the the All Big-12 Team. Lil' Jordan Humphrey was honorable mention. Collin Johnson wasn't on the list. My point always was "for what they're asked to do ... " Clearly, Beck isn't a better athlete than LJH or Johnson, and the TE room isn't better than WR room. But I believe you recently said Beck has a chance to be drafted, and it's safe to say he exceeded your preseason expectations.
- We love Aaron Rodgers, but this has been tough to watch.
a. It can't get worse...
b. Yup.
c. Texas and Oklahoma have major talent advantages. When these programs are coached well, they are year in and year out the best in the Big 12. The gap will only widen moving forward.
d. Arkansas and SMU both seem confident.
e. Andrew Beck was first-team All-Big 12 by default. He doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the receivers. That being said, he did more than I thought hew would.
Zack Shackelford also made all-big 12. We gonna put him in the same sentence with the receivers, too? He doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Sam Cosmi.
f. Indeed.
SAME. But, also needed Theilen and Goff to do something as well...
I feel like it's the year of the Greek Freak
Yes I agree, but not one year out of the 4 in his offense with that blocking scheme has he had a back even close to running for 1000 yards, let alone 1200. In fact, not until this year have his backs ran for more yards than his QB. Obviously, it could happen, but I just don't see it happening in this offense without forcing it and killing the offense and I don't think Beck or Herman will do that.
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Ketch, isn't time The Cowboys start looking around for a "franchise" type QB? Dak ain't "it!"
Oh yeah, how bout a new kick-ass coach too {Garrett is a C+ coach, if that, is he not?} Opps, forgot. Megalomaniac won't allow that. What was I thinking!?
Oh yeah, how bout a new kick-ass coach too {Garrett is a C+ coach, if that, is he not?} Opps, forgot. Megalomaniac won't allow that. What was I thinking!?
That was a fun read and a good walk down memory lane. Thanks.
Fascinating story. May all of us experience a friendship like this one. Thanks for sharing this.
Ketch - isn't there something CTH can do from a staff and engagement/activity level in DFW to start to turn recruiting in the area around?
The DFW is still a "UT First" metro population top down … meaning success at UT if/when it happens is treated as more important than similar levels of success at OU/A&M. I realize that does automatically translate to a minority student athlete at let's say Desoto wanting to go to UT, but it should be a foundation upon which recruiting success could be built.
We will not "keep up with the Jones" if we can't fix the in state recruiting problem ASAP. OOS recruiting provides no more than a band aid lack of in state success.
The DFW is still a "UT First" metro population top down … meaning success at UT if/when it happens is treated as more important than similar levels of success at OU/A&M. I realize that does automatically translate to a minority student athlete at let's say Desoto wanting to go to UT, but it should be a foundation upon which recruiting success could be built.
We will not "keep up with the Jones" if we can't fix the in state recruiting problem ASAP. OOS recruiting provides no more than a band aid lack of in state success.
Which is fitting since even before he got to college people seriously questioned his ranking.
In subsequent posts, it looks like Ketch is moderating his claim to best recruiting in the State of Texas and "in the modern era". That would sidestep Saban, Bowden and Carroll, as well as some of the great classes that DKR and Akers brought in.
There's no question that Saban and Bowden out-recruited Mack in the more competitive national and southeast regional arenas. Saban and Bowden also have more national and conference championships to support the premise that they out-recruited Mack.
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There has to be staff changes, which is a tough call when you consider the success of this years team on the field.
Not enough focus is being on what Mack did to the recruiting dynamics in the sate of Texas.
When he arrived, Texas had zero presence outside of the burbs.
In short time, he owned Houston and Dallas inside and out.
He basically turned OU and A&M inside out to the point that they just waited to see who Texas would take before making decisions in recruiting.
No one else has ever done what Mack has did in the history of college football recruiting.
You probably don't remember this, but right after the 2017 NFL draft, I sent you a buy or sell question, where I predicted DeShaun Watson/D'Onta Foreman would make and win a super bowl before Dak Prescott/Zeke Elliott would. It was a pretty bold prediction since the Cowboys were coming off a 13-3 season and you sold hard without even considering the possibility. The Texans had managed to make the playoffs that prior season with the worst QB play in the league and JJ Watt being injured.
Yeah, this is an I told you so post. I always felt like the combination of Deshaun Watson with a fully healthy Texans defense would make them a very good team and also felt at the time that the AFC would be an easier conference to win projecting forward.
I've been a Cowboys fan my whole life and I'm not touching that argument with a 10 foot pole.
What the Cowboys got with Dak was a phenomenal deal because nobody expected that much out of him. If he demands a high price tag, he will cease to be a deal. If the Cowboys overpay him, he could be a financial boat anchor dragging the organization down.
Watson's upside is 5 times that of Dak. Of course having a freak like Hopkins to throw jump balls to doesn't hurt.
As much as I like the idea of a big Dallas v. Houston rivalry, I just can't bring myself to root against the Texans.
Great stuff on recruiting present and past. I enjoyed reading it.
Holy crap Black Panther is the most overrated movie I can remember. Not even a particularly good superhero movie. Isn’t it possible to be positive about blacks without being negative about whites? I’m sure there is some way to do this, but it was not this movie.
PC people may give it a bunch of awards but that just lowers the bar.
Holy crap Black Panther is the most overrated movie I can remember. Not even a particularly good superhero movie. Isn’t it possible to be positive about blacks without being negative about whites? I’m sure there is some way to do this, but it was not this movie.
PC people may give it a bunch of awards but that just lowers the bar.
