Let's not compare Mexico with the US with that said taking away every gun isn't the answer and gun control doesn't equal taking your gun away.
OT: School Shootings
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Let's not compare Mexico with the US with that said taking away every gun isn't the answer and gun control doesn't equal taking your gun away.
Maybe it doesn't mean taking away my guns to you but to others it does. Our civilization is actually more violent than Mexico. It's just that their population has no way of defending itself against cartels, so they are sheep being led to the slaughter.
Do you think that the cartels in our inner cities would venture outward (inclucining into our schools) more if people and police were unarmed?
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Agree, I've got a 3 year old little girl and it terrifies me the stuff that she is going to be exposed to that I would have never even thought about much less at the age that she will be exposed to it. Makes you want to lock your doors and never leave the house, but if you do that then the people making these stupid decisions win and I REFUSE TO LET THEM WIN.
Then fight back but going into a gun fight with the hope of not being a statistic is a loser. We need to fight back with strength and not weakness. We need to harden these soft targets and increase the surveillance of the nuts and pull them out of society faster. Let's face facts. Guns and drugs pour over our southern border so their availability will always be there.
The starting point has to be with both major political parties stopping with their soapbox talking points. Left has to quit blaming ar15s and realise it's the same as many hunting rifles that are considered "reasonable." Only difference is ARs look militarised and are very popular. It's actually very underpowered compared to most traditional rifles. God help us if the next shooter uses an actual semi-auto hunting rifle. There would be no wounded.
The right has to come up with a better argument than "they're going to abolish the 2nd amendment!" Ain't gonna happen without a convention of states.
Only then will we be able to take a serious look into preventing evil punks from following through with their twisted plans.
The right has to come up with a better argument than "they're going to abolish the 2nd amendment!" Ain't gonna happen without a convention of states.
Only then will we be able to take a serious look into preventing evil punks from following through with their twisted plans.
I would agree on gun ownership. I think a common sense gun ownership course should be required of all hand gun and high caliber rifle applicants. Also, gun ownership rights should be revoked for anyone involved in drug, sex, domestic violence and any other crimes that show a lack of personal control. Problem is that these are the types of people that will go straight to a black market.
I can see both sides of the gun control argument. I am all for stricter controls of who can buy guns from reputable dealers such as sporting good stores, gun stores, etc. but that is going to do nothing for those people who want to get a gun. If someone wants to go shoot up the next soft target, not being able to buy the gun from Brick & Mortar gun store isn't going to stop them. They are going to find it one way or another. I agree with @2300 Nueces, the information is there to at least flag the folks for the things they post online and such. I am a concealed carry holder, I have a gun safe on my night stand and one in the closet, but people like me who go through the proper channels are not the ones making headlines for this type of stuff. People like me are making headlines for stopping these sort of attacks.
My wife is a school teacher in a very impoverished neighborhood that deals with drugs, gangs, family violence etc. and they are a perfect "target" for something like this to happen. There is absolutely no security on campus, the doors to the front of the school are never locked. Classroom doors are always locked but again that isn't going to stop anyone from doing harm if they really want to. I am of the opinion that the only thing stopping a bad guy with a gun from doing bad things is a good guy with a gun who is willing and able to engage the bad guy. I know a lot of school districts are now allowing some of their teachers to carry, and I have no doubt that if someone walked into their classroom with a gun, the teachers who are carrying would be willing and prepared to engage the shooter. While there would still most likely be casualties or at least wounded, the number would decline drastically.
I don't want to go to a society where every where turn this is a uniformed officer with a gun, but I would gladly take that if we could stop this behavior.
My wife is a school teacher in a very impoverished neighborhood that deals with drugs, gangs, family violence etc. and they are a perfect "target" for something like this to happen. There is absolutely no security on campus, the doors to the front of the school are never locked. Classroom doors are always locked but again that isn't going to stop anyone from doing harm if they really want to. I am of the opinion that the only thing stopping a bad guy with a gun from doing bad things is a good guy with a gun who is willing and able to engage the bad guy. I know a lot of school districts are now allowing some of their teachers to carry, and I have no doubt that if someone walked into their classroom with a gun, the teachers who are carrying would be willing and prepared to engage the shooter. While there would still most likely be casualties or at least wounded, the number would decline drastically.
I don't want to go to a society where every where turn this is a uniformed officer with a gun, but I would gladly take that if we could stop this behavior.
You're right if people don't read the gun control topics than they automatically think their guns are going to be taken up.
It probably is more violent but Mexico has bigger issues than gun control. Not saying the innocent are sometimes not killed by cartels but usually cartels are killing other cartel gangs. My family lives in Michoacán I get some stories but most of time if you aren't dealing with cartels or drugs you're not messed with.
Every school I taught at had at least 1 armed SRO. My son's elementary school was built in the 80's. They just finished adding a security lobby with bullet proof glass. It wasn't cheap. I don't know the exact cost because they are adding some classrooms, covered walkways to the gym and updating the library but Its got to be well over 100k for the work they did just on the new lobby.
The other thing we also need to do is stay focused. This isn't about all gun crime its about school shoots. There is a very distinct pattern of school shooters emerging. If we can identify potential school shooters early, make it though for them to buy weapons for their mass murders and get them help then maybe we can put a big dent in these things.
The other thing we also need to do is stay focused. This isn't about all gun crime its about school shoots. There is a very distinct pattern of school shooters emerging. If we can identify potential school shooters early, make it though for them to buy weapons for their mass murders and get them help then maybe we can put a big dent in these things.
You cannot LEGALLY buy a gun (handgun or otherwise) if you have been convicted of domestic violence or have any charges on your record. I would be completely open to raising the age to buy long guns from 18 to 21 or even 25. And the argument that it would kill youth hunting and things of that nature are pure BS because when was the last time that an avid youth hunter had to buy their own gun without mom/dads permission and supervision?
We are talking about school shootings which 100% of the shooting victims are always innocent. I'm not sure what children you are referring to when you blatantly say cops are killing children more than school shootings.
Scholz, from years of posts on OB I know where you stand on the topic of guns. Not trying to bait an argument or any political back and forth but I'm honestly curious what else you'd like to see enforced? Additional layers of background checks? Extensive waiting period? Ban of specific style of guns or all of 'em? I've heard of a gunshow loophole but everytime I've made a purchase at one I had to fill out the same background check paperwork, maybe it's different in other states...I dont know.
That's where the part where I said can't LEGALLY buy a gun. Again criminals will get guns regardless of how the legal channels may prevent them.
Bingo. You hit the nail on the head. Bad people are going to do bad things. Where there's a will, there's a way. Remove all guns and they will move on to the next available way like pipe bombs. Hell, you could damn near build your own nuke if you have internet access.
The "gun show" loophole is really the private sellers loophole. So the guys walking around the gun show with weapons to sell who aren't firearms dealers don't have to do a background check. This has moved onto internet marketplaces so if you can't pass a background check its still fairly easy to obtain a firearm. Because of this system there is no real black market mark up. You end up paying typical market prices for a used firearm. If you make it harder for people to obtain weapons who cant background checks and say drive the price of a black market AR-15 up to 10,000-15,000 then you would make it much more difficult for a school shooter to obtain that type of weapon.
People will do bad things so what's the point of any laws?
Tighter restrictions for gun ownership
Close private seller "gunshow" loopholes
High capacity magazine restrictions
The idea that we shouldn't do anything unless it will be 100% effective is a fallacy, and I am not even where it comes from? What is the logic behind this reasoning?
Tighter restrictions for gun ownership
Close private seller "gunshow" loopholes
High capacity magazine restrictions
The idea that we shouldn't do anything unless it will be 100% effective is a fallacy, and I am not even where it comes from? What is the logic behind this reasoning?
Couldn't disagree more. Taking away military style weapons does work. There's a reason these mass murders always involve the AR-15 style rifles. Civilians don't need these military style weapons. Period. Their only use is for killing humans. The USA is the only advanced country with this problem. The 2nd amendment has become a suicide pact. Not "well regulated" at all.
Also, no it won't "guarantee" some nutjob won't kill people. Obviously. But we don't have to make it as easy as pie either.
Keep your hunting and home protection guns. There's no need for these weapons of mass killing in the civilian population IMO. Doesn't happen in any other civilized nation and thus we're the only one with this ridiculous school shooting problem.
My problem and I hope yours as well is that the people in government are not to be trusted. The whole reason for the 2nd amendment was to protect freedoms. If the police have it then the population should have it. I am not against the police, it's the government that bothers me. We are only ever one generation away from totalitarianism. Don't laugh, it can happen here.
I’m confused 1972. You said cops kill more children than school shootings but then you go off on unjustified shootings. Again the subject is children being killed at school.
I suspect you have a bone to pick with cops but I do not think cops are killing our children. But maybe you have a long list of children being shot by cops.
I suspect you have a bone to pick with cops but I do not think cops are killing our children. But maybe you have a long list of children being shot by cops.
The USA spends over $600 billion a year on its military which is more than the next 8 countries combined. If it wants your stuff, you're not stopping it.
See this is the problem. Instead of talking about keeping guns out of the hands of school shooters we are talking about armed citizens fighting tanks. This is why nothing ever gets done. Then it's look a squirrel. And it's out of our collective concise.
