Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (Beyond the point of no return...)

[SkullSplitter]

Texas didn't hire a hiring AD.

Agreed, and that was the biggest concern a lot of us had about him before he was hired.

Let's hope him being our AD doesn't blow back on us in a way that sinks the next five years. As you said, fans and BMD's need to make sure their voices are heard loudly and clearly over this next week.

 

[Ketchum]

CDC’s job being at risk would be dumb imo

It doesn't appear in any shape, form or fashion that it is.

 

[MauiHorn]

I told someone today, the anger will turn from Herman to Del Conte. I don't believe Texas admin believes that to be the case. We'll see.

He placed himself on center stage by how things have gone down. He has risked his own career.

 

[Ketchum]

Agreed, and that was the biggest concern a lot of us had about him before he was hired.

Let's hope him being our AD doesn't blow back on us in a way that sinks the next five years. As you said, fans and BMD's need to make sure their voices are heard loudly and clearly over this next week.

NO doubt. That's not MMQBing. That was known in. real time when it happened.

 

[BurntOrangeTux]

So Herman is a bad guy, but you’ve been drinking with him several times? You’re full of shit.

He’s telling the truth. Level 2

 

[MauiHorn]

When you are a CEO and you are building a team. You have met with at least 4-5 potential recruits for all of your major direct reports. At any given time, you have a recruits bench that can be called on in 24 hours when you are ready to make a change. What you dont do, is muff the stealth comms internally or externally. Its just you and the recruit. You get to know them and over time, they are your friend and you have connectivity to where its easy to bring them in the door.

 

[SkullSplitter]

Campbell would reportedly take Michigan over Texas. I personally don't think he's a dynamic enough recruiter for a place like Texas.

I'll take the guy who's proven he can get the most out of most of his players, because that guy will probably enhance his recruiting considerably as the years move along.

I agree his recruiting potential is a risk factor, though, and I agree he has his eye on Michigan right now. But if Texas comes calling, he'll definitely take it seriously.

 

[CJK5H]

So, let me get this straight, the reason everyone is suddenly pessimistic is because the timing isn’t right? Haven’t we been told the whole time that Urban controls the timing? Something just isn’t adding up.

Also it’s funny that no one is reporting a no. Just that they don’t feel good about it. And no one ever reported they do feel good about it. The only consistent facts I’ve seen are:

1. Texas made a badass offer.
2. Health and family will be deciding factors.
3. Urban is dictating timing.
4. Everyone involved is tight lipped and there’s no info to come by. Especially on the Meyer side which is the side everyone is waiting on.

So after reporting that no one really knows anything, now all of a sudden everyone “feels” something?

Edit: Also, we’ve gone from everyone on the same page, Texas finally acting like Texas to no one has a clue or a Plan B, same ol’, same ol’? Again, something not adding up.

@Ketchum? Thoughts?

 

[a_hornsfan]

I've just heard other names that CDC likes.

Which are??

 

[28msmith28]

Well, Texas hasn't had a football AD in half a century.

You are making my point. That’s why it’s been mostly mediocre. Wanna win? Build a team from the top down that’s qualified to run and sustain the Football Business. Stop expecting a coach or player to be a savior.

 

[texhorns12]

Not me. Several people in Austin who have been with him. You my friend are a fraud. When you have something other than opinions to contribute feel free to jump in. Until then, keep your bad takes to yourself.

Refer to the levels chart sir. You are incorrect about the level.

 

[MB-HORNS]

It doesn't appear in any shape, form or fashion that it is.

How about if he brings Herman back and we go 7-5 or worse next year?

 

[Old Tascosa]

Ketch,

We (& soon the administration) can agree that Herman must go. A coaching search for someone other than Urban will likely not culminate until after the Bowls. Correct?

If timing is the issue for Urban to get a staff he knows will allow him to excel at Texas & only stress to an acceptable degree, then why not give him the time needed & the commitment to offer enough money they won't be able to refuse (an offer they can't refuse), if he will even silently commit to us.

Can't he put out some behind the scenes feelers on the down low to know what it will take to get his guys? Most are young enough that for the right money they would make a move, even from a very good job & comfortable position?

It sounds like Urban really wants to coach here, but only under the right circumstances. OSU isn't going to open up again for him, & no one else would make the open ended commitment to both him & his staff. He must be made to realize it's now or never, & we have to be sure he knows that.

 

[blueorder36]

If health concerns are the issue, should we not be concerned as well?

 

[Ketchum]

Which are??

The ones that have been mentioned, Mario C. and Franklin,.

 

[Ketchum]

If health concerns are the issue, should we not be concerned as well?

Yes.

 

[cujo0622]

Texas didn't hire a hiring AD.

This x1000000000000000000

 

[Ketchum]

How about if he brings Herman back and we go 7-5 or worse next year?

 

[drunk randoke]

The ones that have been mentioned, Mario C. and Franklin,.

Penn State gonna chip in the moving van?

 

[Napaak]

Franklin should be a non starter. Cristobal, meh. Mullen and Campbell should be the two to look at.

 

[65HornInTacoma]

I told someone today, the anger will turn from Herman to Del Conte. I don't believe Texas admin believes that to be the case. We'll see.

Not to mention people like myself who have finally decided "**** this noise" and go on our separate way with our money and time.

 

[Ketchum]

Not to mention people like myself who have finally decided "**** this noise" and go on our separate way with our money and time.

Hold the rope.

I refuse to believe Herman comes back.

 

[Suchomel]

Campbell would reportedly take Michigan over Texas. I personally don't think he's a dynamic enough recruiter for a place like Texas.

Agree on all of it. If Texas makes a change, whoever they choose has to be a dynamic recruiter IMO or it won't work. Campbell is a damn good coach, but I don't know that he would work at Texas.

 

[Chappy Sinclair]

This x1000000000000000000

We hired a pied piper and now....

 

[The Kavorka]

The ones that have been mentioned, Mario C. and Franklin,.

Can you imagine hiring a guy whose current record this season is 2-5. That would be rock bottom.

 

[drunk randoke]

Not to mention people like myself who have finally decided "**** this noise" and go on our separate way with our money and time.

We should hang out next fall

 

[Ketchum]

Agree on all of it. If Texas makes a change, whoever they choose has to be a dynamic recruiter IMO or it won't work. Campbell is a damn good coach, but I don't know that he would work at Texas.

Very Gary Barnett-ish.

 

[cujo0622]

Recruiting will be fun to finish rhe 2021 season, and this spring. Imagine a parent talking to Tom, “ you want my son to commit to you, when your own AD was courting another coach. And the only reason you are here in our living room is because there really was no one else”

I smell an extension coming if we end up playing and winning against Kansas.

 

[Suchomel]

I'll take the guy who's proven he can get the most out of most of his players, because that guy will probably enhance his recruiting considerably as the years move along.

That's what Texas thought it was getting in Herman.

 

[njglonghorn]

So @Ketchum in your opinion which coaches should CDC go after if Urban says no? What does that top 3 look like?

 

[PabloDeTejas]

So who out there is "the 2020 version of Lincoln Riley or a young Bob Stoops"?

 

[UTDB]

I agree completely. Saban wasn’t considered an elite recruiter until he went to Bama. He turned them around within 2 years and recruits began to notice...Campbell would get his fair share of recruits bc he’s respected, can develop and win.

saban's highly ranked classes at LSU say hi

 

[SkullSplitter]

That's what Texas thought it was getting in Herman.

Fair point. But the last two can't-miss coaches out of the G5 – Herman & Frost – have both proven that there's a big difference between succeeding in tier-two vs. proving yourself in the P5, which Campbell has done in a stunning way at a highly unlikely program.

 

[Ketchum]

So @Ketchum in your opinion which coaches should CDC go after if Urban says no? What does that top 3 look like?

I think you have to call some agents of guys you think won't say yes and see if you can make them say yes - Mullen... Dabo... Kelly... kick the tires and find out who wants to be paid eight figures per year.

 

[Bill Boy Bryant]

Ketch any chance Tom could add in 1-2 upper echelon recruiters to the Staff to turn the momentum around or does it come down to a perceived lame duck coach and that it being used against Texas for 12 months. Do the HS coaches like Tom?