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Maybe/ probably not rational....I mean..... That's rational.
2310, what is your connection to Baylor, Briles, and / or Waco?
Definitely disagree, and seems you are in the minority, not that there's anything wrong with that. I have no problem with Ketch taking this on as a cause. Every man....every person should have their causes that they are willing to lay it on the line for.No, no. I would absolutely expect them to post thoughts on the story. The whole sports world is talking about it. What I wouldn't expect is the bizarre crusade that it's become. I wouldn't expect the Tweets every 5-6 minutes begging Briles, Baylor, or anyone they can find to engage with them. I wouldn't expect them to take all this so personally when none of them are even remotely connected to the story. I also wouldn't expect my little buddy, BOBA, to get banned for voicing some dissent.
Make no mistake in where I'm coming from. This is a massive story. What it's not is anything to do with the O-Bloods staff. I find misc emoting on the subject by those in no way involved and the Twitter campaign to be strange at best and disingenuous at worst. I hope I've clarified things on my front. If you disagree, more power to ya.
Yeah, clearly
Definitely disagree, and seems you are in the minority, not that there's anything wrong with that. I have no problem with Ketch taking this on as a cause. Every man....every person should have their causes that they are willing to lay it on the line for.
Cool? I'm sorry. I'm not sure what game we're playing.
What cause is that, exactly?
What cause is that, exactly?
Wow again. I love it when 2310 digs his heals in on a solid troll job.
You're being silly now.
Man.... What are you talking about?
It is quite obvious to everyone at this point what your agenda is. Clearly you have some connection to the Baylor program, and clearly you have gone on a mission to just mess with people at this point. Time to put the bottle down and call it a night.
Geoff,
I really think you are an idiot. The entire story has not come out and you are judge, jury and executioner. I don't know the entire story, which is why I am waiting for more information. One thing is clear, Boisie State told the player's high school coach the same thing they told Briles. I don't care if you ban me, that is your right as site owner. The issue here is that you are blaming a coach for an institutional breakdown. This issue is bigger than Baylor, it is rampant in our society. If you want to get on your high horse, make a societal issue, not a Baylor issue.
All big schools have problems. If Baylor had allowed this kid to participate in practice, play in a game, etc. you would be right. This kid never practiced or played with the team, Baylor allowed due process to take place, and the jury returned a probated sentence. You are just tired of Baylor kicking our ass which is our fault, not Baylors.
I have three daughters. I know what it is like to have girls. Let the entire story play out before you call for heads to roll...
While there's a lot of blather against Ketch's lov I think you make a good point for patience. Lawyers and crisis managers could easily be mucking up a more human and empathetic response.
Now that said, I felt like Ketch outlined a pretty good case for the most likely path. And it's been an ugly road of bad decisions.
I like another's response about the school and coach paying for the crime more than the dang rapist. Light sentence? Was it just a little rape? A light sexual assault? Would love to hear the jury's explanation on that.
I'm not. At all. What cause do you think they're championing? Seriously. With all the periphery info, the weeping, the Twitter campaign.... What's the goal? What's the endgame? That's what I mean. What cause is being championed here? Fire Art Briles? For what, exactly?
I'm not. At all. What cause do you think they're championing? Seriously. With all the periphery info, the weeping, the Twitter campaign.... What's the goal? What's the endgame? That's what I mean. What cause is being championed here? Fire Art Briles? For what, exactly? Arrest Art Briles for rape?
For the victim of a crime...a crime that was enabled by adults who were supposed to protect her. Man, I feel sorry for you if your moral compass can't fixate on that. And it turns out that you are indeed questioning the motives of good people.
I offered my thoughts on the thread that got BOBA banned. My main issue was that some folks don't feel a certain way and they shouldn't be booted off the site for that disagreement..
There's a lot of unwanted truth in this statement.I'm also not sure that Art Briles would be the fixation had he not taken Baylor where many believe they have no place being.
A few things if you care to read and digest them from someone that has an intimate knowledge of the legal system, evidence rules, procedural rules, and some idea of basic communication between individuals that doesn't always come across as it may be intended:You're so missing the point. You want to be mad at someone? Be mad at the leaders of the internal investigation of the case. Be mad at the Boise PD for not going after the guy when all of his alleged other issues happened. Be mad at us for creating a society that is obsessed with the results on a field. Be mad at the NCAA for suspending kids for having a sandwich with an assistant on that coaches dime while they allow allegedly violent kids to transfer from place to place unencumbered. Be mad at Mack Brown for blaming narcolepsy when Sergio Kindle nearly murdered several people by driving through an apartment building. Be mad at Mack Brown when Case and Jordan Hicks ran a train on a girl, filmed it, and it just went away. There are lots of places to be mad. I'm just not sure that Art Briles is the rational place for that anger to land. I'm also not sure that Art Briles would be the fixation had he not taken Baylor where many believe they have no place being.
See where I'm going with all that? Don't make the asinine assumption that I don't feel for the victim. Nothing about what's going on here feels like it has anything to really do with the victim to me. Perhaps I should attempt to drum up a Twitter battle with Art Briles to prove I care. Or perhaps I should weep. Or..... Do you see? Do you see how some may find it a bit off?
If you don't feel the same way, that's fine. I haven't really tried to share my feelings about the situation on here. I offered my thoughts on the thread that got BOBA banned. My main issue was that some folks don't feel a certain way and they shouldn't be booted off the site for that disagreement. I'm not at all trying to convince anyone of anything. Just providing a differing viewpoint shared by more than a few folks.
Societally, we have a problem with respecting & protecting women. The situation at Baylor is just an extreme example of a culture that frequently dehumanizes women. It's amazing to watch the comments roll in when a beautiful woman, who is not connected to anyone on OB, is posted on the board. It's a barrage of comments about PIIHB, f'ing her raw, drinking her bathwater, motorboat gifs, phallic eruption gifs, etc. Yet, when someone posts something about his wife or daughter (who happens to be a beautiful), you see the restrained comments: "What a beautiful young lady", "you must be proud", "you out kicked your coverage", etc.
Why do we assign value & respect to the women in our own lives (and expect others to as well), but aren't willing to offer that same value & respect to the women in others' lives, whom we have no connection to? Why do we, as a society, demand that men respect women physically, but not verbally? If women are worthy of respect, value, and protection, then they're worthy it in both words & actions.........and at all times, not just when it comes to physical harm. Just my $.02.
There's a lot of unwanted truth in this statement.
All those words and not a direct or specific complaint, just generalities. What specifically did you have an issue with? Let's start there.Okay, personal preference for reading UT sports stories aside, I agree that this story may be well-intentioned, but it is not supported by known, hard, facts. At this point of he-said versus he-said with a sprinkling of truths and partial truths and loads of innuendo, to take sides with such conviction and self-assured righteousness is folly in the least and libelous in the worst. I too have daughters, one just today beginning her freshman year at OU (o u have no idea how I've suffered). I am very much a supporter of avid protection of all students from predators of any type. However, the vindictive tone (no, not undertone) of this writing suggests either a personal issue with Briles or one with "Christian schools" or perhaps, both. Really? The only two relevant offenders are Notre Dame and Baylor? This type of "football first" mentality only exists at private/christian schools and doesn't exist at the other 95% of universities...the public ones? Campus assault and rape in particular is a serious matter that is not new and needs further illumination. Serious, sincere, efforts at exposure are welcome. Half-hearted, half-researched, half-sappy musings are distractions from the real journalism needed to advance the matter professionally.
By the way, where was your righteous indignation and 3,200 word treatise when Bob Stoops let Joe Mixon back on campus?
Stick to sports, where opinion is customary. Or at least stick to proven facts when criticizing people's actions.
Good grief, that's the richest thing anyone has said all day in this thread.Is he? Or, some might argue he's drawing attention to himself. I know BOBA would
Sexual assaults impact all of us. Mothers, girl friends, wives, sisters, cousins, aunts.What I wouldn't expect is the bizarre crusade that it's become. I wouldn't expect the Tweets every 5-6 minutes begging Briles, Baylor, or anyone they can find to engage with them. I wouldn't expect them to take all this so personally when none of them are even remotely connected to the story. I also wouldn't expect my little buddy, BOBA, to get banned for voicing some dissent.