Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (What happened in Waco should be personal for all of us...)
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Is this being responsive to a question, but not really answering it? You do have the tweets from Horny. Is that enough for you? The degree of transparency from Baylor that you and others desire may never come, for legal and other reasons, so what will be your view then about Horny's employment? How much time do you give?
You must have had a really difficult last 24 hours. Get some sleep. When you awake, please for the sake of all of us call (800) NEEDHUG.
Thanks.
I appreciate your saying how personal this has become for you and why. For clarification, do you know if the person you referred to has either settled with Baylor or is one of the plaintiff's in any of the suits? I can understand that you might want to say, but that could help bring context to her tragic story.
There was an interesting story appearing in The Daily Beast written by Christina Hoff Sommers on Jan. 31, 2015. The story was titled "The Media is Making College Rape Culture Worse." I was wondering if you have read it, and what your thoughts on it were.
Instead of constant slander without a scintilla of evidence Horney was involved in any portion of the alleged cover-ups, why don't you and your staff actually do some "reporting" and get to the bottom of it instead of making broad assumptions (or at least try go have an off the record conversation with the guy to try to start forming your own opinions). Constant second guessing the hire without attempting determine if your assumptions are worthy off the strong opinions you and your staff have on this topic seems pretty lazy IMO. If Horney did any of the bad things you are insinuating, surely a competent reporter could find someone victimized or involved that would go on the record.
People just have horny fatigue. For the most part this site is the only one making it a big topic. I scanned inside texas earlier going back several days and could find very little mention or discussion. Certainly no large outrage or people demanding answers. I'm guessing 247 is the same. Texas being mentioned with this is certainly not remotely a national story. Hell 99% of the General Texas fanbase outside the small fringe online likely doesn't even know who Horny is and prob never will since he's not a coach. I think people saying let it go are Just tired of the constant daily threads here when you aren't seeing this outrage outside of here. We don't know horny is guilty of anything and many are uncomfortable about just presuming guilt because Baylor is trash. That and Texas claims he was vetted Which other insiders have even confirmed..even if people wonder how much. It's just hard to manufacture so much over an administrative assistant so it's not really surprising to me people are saying let it go and getting tired of the subject being pushed by moderators
You keep acting like "this site is the only one making it a topic" is an argument for dropping it, instead of realizing that this is precisely why it cannot be dropped.
Read Nuu's post. The have said they vetted him, but Nuu made no guarantees on what they reviewed in the vetting. Why? Because we know the information available to be considered, and it's not even enough for joke about vetting, much less to count as a credible read of Horny's role at Baylor over that period. We don't have to live in the Texas echo chamber, we can study the case on our own and learn that the information required to vet Horny has not been released. THEREFORE, WE CAN KNOW, WITH CONFIDENCE, THAT DESPITE THE CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY THAT TEXAS COULD NOT HAVE CREDIBLY VETTED HORNY PRIOR TO THE HIRE. Texas' comments one way or the other are not important to knowing, and having confidence in, that fact.
Sorry people are fatigued. Just think how the victims feel. When Herman brought Horny in, he tied us to him and that situation. It will get much, much more fatiguing before it is over. That is, if the victims have any chance at anything close to justice. I guess if it just disappears than no one has to be bothered by it again.
Thanks Alex.
For context, is she one of the plaintiff's who filed before last week?
It's personal for me too. Baylor is my law school alma mater, I'm a lifetime member alumnus and I've given a lot (for me) of money to the school since 1996.
I've since communicated to the school that I'm done with it forever and to stop contacting me. There's nothing it can ever do to remove the stain in my mind for what they did. Its institutional response has offended me on every level and has been, and remains, horrifically obtuse and downright evil. The school is dead to me.
I've since communicated to the school that I'm done with it forever and to stop contacting me. There's nothing it can ever do to remove the stain in my mind for what they did. Its institutional response has offended me on every level and has been, and remains, horrifically obtuse and downright evil. The school is dead to me.
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- and I am sure that we have a compliance dept. of some sort to make sure this doesn't occur - unless they are not doing their job, as I assume happened at other universities.
I have no idea how much Texas vetted him and no one here possibly knows. Herman could have come out and spoken for hours about how much he looked into the guy and some would still claim it means nothing. Either way Unless it comes out horny was somehow involved I doubt very much this story continues much longer in regard to Texas. I doubt he's even fired at this point. Spring practice will start and no one will be talking about it. My point on this site was only to point out horny/Texas is not a big topic even on most Texas message boards nevermind nationally. People here can be mad and claim he's guilty or whatever but what exactly is going to happen? Nothing most likely.
The social impact and public interest in two African Americans breaking the color barrier in female professional tennis are not that compelling from a racial perspective. Arthur Ashe broke it long ago in tennis in general. Tennis just doesnt have the broad appeal it did 30 years ago. Jackie Robunson, and Ernie Davis are a lot more relevant. I personally would be more interrsted the story of the first African American professional hockey player or bull rider. From a story of personal achievement though the sisters angle and their outrageous success is pretty amazing. There are a lot of sibling sports stories out there but I'm not sure of any that compare on such a grand scale.
Well then, he MUST be guilty!! What a weak post!! Be Better!!
That's what Baylor counted on...
You're suggesting there's fatigue over a situation that hasn't been properly addressed at all.
I feel bad for the fans, students, graduates and uninvolved players of the Baylor program just like I did for their Penn State counterparts.
But feeling a little bit bad for those thousands of people doesn't come close to the horror I feel for the actual victims of the crimes in both situations.
And I have a special dose of vitriol for the supporters of both schools who aren't livid at their own institutions, demanding full disclosure and transparency. F those d-bags.
But feeling a little bit bad for those thousands of people doesn't come close to the horror I feel for the actual victims of the crimes in both situations.
And I have a special dose of vitriol for the supporters of both schools who aren't livid at their own institutions, demanding full disclosure and transparency. F those d-bags.
Yes, we do know. Because we can look at the documents available, and those being sought by the Waco DA, the victims and their attorneys, and even the ex Baylor coaches who are suing the school.
You've got orange glasses on, and it doesn't need to be that way. You don't need a single comment from Texas to know if they properly vetted Horny. The documentation needed to credibly vet Horny is not available to any outside party, and in fact, people are suing with blood in their eyes to get ahold of it.
Given the above, the issue on Horny is still a packed package of C4 inside the halls of the Athletic department right now, and it is ridiculous to leave him in his position. Even more ridiculous that this is over a QC coach.
Texas won't fire him now, because that would require admitting their misrepresentation about vetting him to a credible standard. They're not going to do that right now. They've set up the game, for better or for worse, that they will suffer along side Horny if/when any new info comes to light. In moral terms, that's grounds for opposition. But forget about that, just in terms of the executive management blunder it's grounds for opposition.
You could be right but I haven't seen tennis flooded with black females in the last 20 years as a result. Tennis is pretty much dead in the popular US culture whether white of black. I just don't think that the average black female youth knows who they are. Now if we are talking Beyonce as an icon of inspiration for young black females then there is no disagreement. But tennis stars cultural impact today whether black or white is negligible in our society.
No one has suggested he's guilty. I'm saying transparency is needed. I can't force you to understand why that's important.
Respectfully of course!
By the way don't be dissuaded from detractors tired of hearing about Baylor, this needs to be hit on over and over until the proper punishment for the crimes are dealt out. I appreciate the work you have done on this, having had a family member go through a similar situation.
I pose the question because it probably needs to be asked.
If in the very small chance it turns out that Horny was involved, even to a slight degree, what become the consequences of hiring him?
That's just a weak attempt at an out. No, I would suggest that kind of transparency and openness would have been heralded by most.
The school waited NINE DAYS after the announcement to make any effort at a statement.
Good grief.
Most black women I know would disagree with you strongly about your thoughts on the Williams' sisters.
