Ketch,
I give you credit for providing more context. For the sake of clarity, are you referring to someone already indicted last year in Waco?
Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (What happened in Waco should be personal for all of us...)
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Ketch,
I give you credit for providing more context. For the sake of clarity, are you referring to someone already indicted last year in Waco?
I didn't pick up the quote properly in the last part of his post. It was a reference to his point about Perrin being asleep at the wheel and Herman being tone deaf.
Who cares what some poster says. Examine the facts and ask questions about the facts. Horny met with Herman and agreed to the position before NYE. The official hire isn't released for about 10 days. It is released with absolutely zero acknowledgement of the BU situation he was fleeing. It takes over a week for Perrin to release a "statement." Would you describe that as active management and oversight?
I believe Herman said was surprised by the backlash in the radio interview. If I am incorrect, then I apologize. Ask him what details he knew and now knows about the Baylor situation. Ask him how closely he followed it as it unfolded? Why didn't he ask Horny to delete the Tweets and make a statement addressing them? Why not craft a statement when announcing the hire? What kind of 'vetting' can you really do on someone when Baylor refuses to talk to anyone about anything? Would you describe yourself as having a great understanding of the entire Baylor situation?
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You raise valid points, and it will be interesting to see the approach that Herman takes.
I and others are just not as upset at the Horny hiring as you and others. Just a difference of opinions, and that is said respectfully.
I can handle that easily. Reasonable minds can evaluate facts and respectfully disagree. Hook Em!
And you would be wrong, but I guess if you pretend that you know so much about me you can feel justified in preaching to me.
Absolutely. We don't even need to discuss the moral component here--though that is absolutely a huge part of this conversation, a deserved part, and one that aligns with Texas' stated identity.
But we don't need it. We can be oppositional to the hire, with full justification, on administrative and executive grounds alone. It's not a move that would pass Herman's own ideals of "excellence", "alignment", and "accountability".
There is no such thing as a good hire at any cost. In answer to your question, if he is found to have been tainted, it will bring Texas' entire brand identity into question. Not for every person or in every case, but that will become part of the new normal for Texas for as long as Herman remains in the football program.
I will add, though, that the purpose of vetting is to answer questions, not to raise more than you started with. Horny's questions are multiplying. If the new allegations are even 25% true, above and beyond the stuff loosely acknowledged by PepperHamilton, the probability that Horny knew nothing--when dozens of 18 to 21 year old girls not only knew about it but corroborated in it--is dropping fast. It's becoming almost implausible that he wasn't wrapped up in it one way or another. Even Horny supporters know in their gut that half the beach of justification they were standing on just erodes with the new wave of accusations.
I'm not saying he's guilty, but I am saying the questions around that are getting more and more infected. Hell, we can even assume he knew something of it--by far the most likely assumption we could make, and the most reasonable given his position with the Felony player--but that he was disgusted by it, hated it, and just chose to say quiet.
That staying quiet still brings fantastic legal and institutional accountability. He doesn't even have to be a bad guy for him to be still be an accomplice and to face major legal and ethical consequences.
There is no football arithmetic to this decision that even approaches 1% of the influence of the other questions involved.
Isn't it important to consider that the Williams sisters probably never would have been given a chance if not for Owens, Jackie and Ali? There story is amazing but I doubt they've been spit on, had to stay in seperate motels, dealt with Nazi wrath, or hit .342 for a career. There would not be black baseball players if not for Robinson. How many african american young women have dominated tennis since they were inspired by the Williams?
This isn't about football. No other sites were talking about Baylor's coverup months ago either. It needs to continue to be brought up until there are answers. Would you feel the same if Strong was the coach that hired Horny? Yeah, probably not.
What I know is that a generation of young black women, and black people in general, view the Williams sisters as something more than you seem to believe.
I'm not preaching to you. I'm simply expressing what I believe to know based on two decades of observation.
Just type in Williams sisters into a Twitter search engine and read the comments.
Shouldn't 20 years of dominance in a sport that has never seen anything like them, before or since, make for a greater testimony to the impact of their greatness?
one other interesting piece of the puzzle - Venus suffers from Sjogrens Syndrome, which can be much more than just dry eyes and mouth - flare ups and can lead to other immunology related diseases (I know personally) - so her successes are that much more wonderful IMO
If you haven't noticed, I tried to take a break from this thread very early on today.
I said that each side should agree that reasonable minds can disagree. I said I wouldn't be back unless someone attacked my character again. Sure enough, some poster was talking about his "vitriol" for anyone who doesn't think like Ketch and then Ketch restarted his "anyone who disagrees with me is like a Baylor fan" rant. My comparison to the nun who wants nothing but a confession is spot on as far as Ketch is concerned. You should direct your "take a break" suggestion to the disrespectful, supercilious members of OB like Ketch who tells people that they need to turn their brains on. I don't need a break, but thank you for your input. I choose to keep up the good fight. Will not back down from the mob.
Herman, if you are reading this thread, ignore the noise because that is all it is.
I get it, they've both kicked ass since the Clinton administration. Fantastic sports story but maybe top 3-4.
No doubt. What she did the last two weeks was a borderline miracle.
isn't that potentially splitting hairs?
Hey, that Lincoln was a top four president, but he's no Washington...
Fair enough.
When you can, I'd appreciate your opinion on some of the questions I posed to Alex in post number 254, I believe. That would be interesting and helpful in better understanding your perspective. Thanks.
That's a complicated question to answer with a simple yes or no.
For instance, I wouldn't hold UT liable for what happened to Huruka Weiser. However, what we're talking about with Baylor is conspiracy to cover up sexual assaults, which led to more sexual assaults... a pattern that existed for at least half a decade. In this case, expansion should certainly exist.
I'm not sure what articles you've mentioned. Re-post them if you don't mind.
I think each institution plays its own role, but by and large, but trusted law enforcement best handles these situation. Yet, at times, it's impossible to trust anyone, as evidenced by what happened in Waco.
Her specifically? None. That probably goes beyond some of the scope we were capable of, given the true tasks of our occupation and the limitations they create on something not completely related to our normal duties.
On the other hand, I've spoken with numerous folks that have worked on other elements of the claims. Jessica Luther, for instance.
I'm not sure what you're asking here.
Yes, Slander. It's what your site and your employees have been doing for two weeks. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp? That's the most alarming aspect of this, in not knowing of or creating an environment where rapes occurs and to not report it to police, this is a crime. Yet you and your site continues its cruisade to get him fired, or dismissed.
The only thing I KNOW for sure that he is guilty of is supporting his boss and his team, to which I doubt you know the full and complete backstory to.
Yet you and your employees continue to assert that he was involved in covering up/ or failing to report rape. This, you DO NOT know, yet you presume to attack him over and over on your site for something that you assume to know.
I have been subscribed to your site for a long time and this is the first time I have seen you act this way, and even worse you create and encourage for this environment to happen.
It's frighteningly shocking that YOU and YOUR staff are the ones who don't get it!
Also you seem to be throwing quite the dagger at Herman and Perrin! Since as you put it, you're all in on this, why don't YOU attend the next presser and ask Herman these tough questions?
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It is easier to understand your perspective on several points.
The most recent book on the general topic is The Campus Rape Frenzy by Stuart Taylor, Jr. and JC Johnson. You many recall that Taylor was with National Journal and appeared often on various news channels. Both authors voted for Obama twice. Taylor and Johnson have written before on how myths about misleading statistics of the number of sexual assaults, including, if I remember correctly the AAU report which including statistics from the University of Texas. The book is well-referenced and can provide other sources of information.
Christiana Hoff Sommers in The Daily Beast (Jan.23, 2015) wrote an article titled "The Media is Making Rape Culture Worse" and it is very interesting, whether you agree with it or not.
Another author of note is Emily Yoffe, who wrote extensively on the allegations at Virginia.
You mentioned Waco, and though you have written on it before, it is hard to understand how the Waco police report in early 2013 was handled (or not handled) and who knew about it and when.
Regarding the 2011 Dear Colleague Letter, Christian Sommer's article goes into detail on that. What a reader of an article often sees is an allegation that some university is violating federal law when it doesn't follow the guidance in the Dear Colleague Letter. There is a conflict of views about that. The point being that the 2011 Letter has caused some uncertainty about what a university is supposed to do, and authors such as Alan Dershowitz point out that guidance is not statute or regulation, as some Dept. of Ed officials have also admitted in Senate testimony. If you google Amy Macintosh and Lamar Alexander, I believe that her testimony can be located. She is by the way, the wife of legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin of CNN. James Lankford has also written a lot about the Dear Colleague letter.
That's a lot for starters. I apologize for the length, but I hope that this provides some useful background material for you and other posters who may be interested.
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here's where the compliance piece comes in. I am the Director of our Pharmacy - but if I were to put my hand on, say, a driver, they are protected as much, maybe more, than myself. Those who are the most afraid to come forward should know there is something in place to protect them - and if there isn't then shame on the entity.
You haven't listed a single example. If I had actually slandered him, this thread would overrun with people calling me out.
We are crusading for transparency and accountability.
It's alarming that you wouldn't want the same.
I don't know the full backstory, either. No one does. That's a big part of the issue.
Ironically, you just slandered us by misrepresenting (again) what we've actually said.
You've completely misrepresented my actions and words throughout your entire set of comments. I do appreciate you being subscribed for a very long time.
I would contend I have a very full grasp of the situation, as it stands.
What dagger are you talking about? Is that what you call asking for transparency and accountability?
Frankly, you are tremendously off-base here.
What transparency are you looking for? There was a vetting process by multiple people, he passed. Herman has a long personal relationship with Horny. Do you not trust Texas in their vetting process, again it was done by more than one person? Do you not trust Herman? If you don't, please provide your basis as to why?
Yes, I actually know a little of the backstory.
How am I misrepresenting what you are saying? Please explain? Are you not saying he knows more than what was reported? If so, please provide facts. Are you more upset over his tweets? If so I get it, again there is more backstory to this, evidently you and your staff don't know as much as you claim.. that is there are three sides to every story. But regardless, he was talked to and Texas is moving forward.
Look I'm not saying you or the mods are doing this, but Texas fans are sick and tired of Baylor for more than just the rape... of course no one will admit that and I'm fine with that, but if we are being 'transparent', then let's be.
Hyperbole much on slandering your site... it's in black and white what you guys are saying or inferring about Horny.
The dagger is quite clear. Your asking for transparency because you either 1)know he and Perrin are lying 2)they were incompetent in their vetting process or 3) they are covering up something. Since you are taking such a stand on this, then go before Herman and ask him these tough questions in his next press conference?
Again I get the transparency part on Baylors end, but Texas did their due diligence here based off facts given to them by several people, including our head coach.
I've read some of her articles. The book is on order, so I should have it mid-week. I'll be interested in what she has to say.
Makes me want to go find the "monster" and introduce him to "my little friend". I too have a daughter and am sure that I would going to jail if something like this happened to her...Just sayin
If what you are saying is true, which in my experience is not the case, then why are they only talked about (within the black community) if they win something. If it were having the type of impact you are describing, then all of my black relatives, which are all athletic (some division 1 scholarship athletes) and very much into sports, would have brought it up in conversation. Reality is that I have never once heard any of them talk about them. Tiger on the other hand has been a mainstay in conversation for many of those 20 years, even when he's been out of golf.
The Williams sisters simply cannot transcend Tennis because Tennis is so irrelevant.
Horney is "involved " in posting supportive statements publicly after Briles was fired.
That alone precludes him from working at TX.
