Paper Champion,
I added a couple of references a few of minutes ago in my response to I Hear Voices.
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Paper Champion,
I added a couple of references a few of minutes ago in my response to I Hear Voices.
No, you're not a Baylor fan, again. You're just saying the types of things that Baylor fans have said in the past in an effort to move along.Ok, now I'm a Baylor fan again. You were born a few centuries too late. You would have been perfect as an inquisitor, of the Spanish variety!
I would offer a world that was impacted the most is one you aren't possibly as familiar with as others.How has it impacted American culture one iota? Tennis wasn't culturally relevant before and it's not culturally relevant now. Tiger Woods made golf relevant in an unprecedented way. His story isn't a great one, but his cultural impact is orders of magnitude greater than that of the Williams sisters.
And you would have been very good in one of the roles that led to the Red Wedding. Maybe Black Walder.Also, Ketch, you would have been very good in the role of the large nun in Game of Thrones. Confess! Confess! Confess!!!
"No one really has any idea what level of involvement he may have had in the scandal."Matt Mosley, contributor to the DMN: "...I don't think I'd heard Horny's name over the years. No one really has any idea what level of involvement he may have had in the scandal. It looks like Herman's throwing a life raft to a guy by giving him a relatively low-level position..."
Anyone who KNOWS more than Mosley should contact him or some other true journalist and explain. No complainer on this board would, in court, utter more than two sentences before they heard the words: Objection, speculation; or Objection, hearsay; or Objection, no personal knowledge, quickly followed by: SUSTAINED! Wow!!! Just wow!!!
I didn't say that the alleged assailant had been convicted. That has not happened yet. Fingers crossed that one day that happens.I think that you, I, and a few others are in the minority here.
I hope that Alex and Ketch will take a few moments to answer the questions I asked in post 254 above. I think that would add perspective to their opinions. Ketch calls for transparency, but, IMO, until today he left out some significant points. If the alleged assailant has been convicted, could he not also at least say who that was? That might be helpful in understanding the full picture.
You never want to be the 3rd person in a grouping of similar people with Lane Kiffin and Todd Graham. Hot damn that is bad company.
A friend and fellow alum who doesn't follow this stuff nearly as closely as most of us said this to me last night.
"At best Herman has shown he is a little ignorant to the whole scope of the Baylor situation. I think he is going to get peppered with questions on Signing Day and be upset. He has been working 100 hour weeks since July and insanely busy. Is he unfamiliar enough with the Baylor situation to get frustrated and say something like "I just want to talk about football" or "can we just talk about recruits?"
I told him certainly Bianco has informed him to avoid saying shit like that, but it was an unpleasant thought. I don't think it will happen.
I am disappointed so many Longhorns are "fatigued." That is exactly what Baylor wanted from people.
We can all speculate about what the Assistant Director of Football Operations who was at Baylor for Briles full tenure may or may not have known, but it doesn't really matter. He isn't being tried for a crime. We are discussing if we should have hired him and/or should fire him. Here are the facts of the case that are not in dispute:
He publicly supported CAB until the bitter end.
He publicly attacked the media in July for investigating.
He attacked the media again on December 13 in support of Briles.
He publicly signed a tweet in November supporting Briles.
He publicly tweeted #truthdontlie multiple times which openly implies the rape victims are liars and further intimidates future victims from speaking publicly.
These are HIS actions. He is guilty of taking these actions. These public actions mean he is either complicit or ignorant/tone deaf to the seriousness of the situation. They all reflect poorly on us for associating ourselves with him. He should not work at Texas because of HIS DIRECT ACTIONS. No speculation or suspending disbelief is necessary.
He only deleted the Tweets when the social media backlash began (furthering @Good.Shepherd 's point about no real vetting). He has issued no statement clarifying his intentions or apologizing. Herman answered a few softballs on the Longhorn flagship radio station and has released no statement. Perrin was asleep at the wheel and Herman was tone deaf. We will be brought up every single time a new Baylor fact is released. That is one of the prices Herman chose to pay by hiring him.
I hope @Ketchum @Anwar Richardson and @Alex Dunlap ask appropriate questions Wednesday.
You never want to be the 3rd person in a grouping of similar people with Lane Kiffin and Todd Graham. Hot damn that is bad company.
A friend and fellow alum who doesn't follow this stuff nearly as closely as most of us said this to me last night.
"At best Herman has shown he is a little ignorant to the whole scope of the Baylor situation. I think he is going to get peppered with questions on Signing Day and be upset. He has been working 100 hour weeks since July and insanely busy. Is he unfamiliar enough with the Baylor situation to get frustrated and say something like "I just want to talk about football" or "can we just talk about recruits?"
I told him certainly Bianco has informed him to avoid saying shit like that, but it was an unpleasant thought. I don't think it will happen.
I am disappointed so many Longhorns are "fatigued." That is exactly what Baylor wanted from people.
We can all speculate about what the Assistant Director of Football Operations who was at Baylor for Briles full tenure may or may not have known, but it doesn't really matter. He isn't being tried for a crime. We are discussing if we should have hired him and/or should fire him. Here are the facts of the case that are not in dispute:
He publicly supported CAB until the bitter end.
He publicly attacked the media in July for investigating.
He attacked the media again on December 13 in support of Briles.
He publicly signed a tweet in November supporting Briles.
He publicly tweeted #truthdontlie multiple times which openly implies the rape victims are liars and further intimidates future victims from speaking publicly.
These are HIS actions. He is guilty of taking these actions. These public actions mean he is either complicit or ignorant/tone deaf to the seriousness of the situation. They all reflect poorly on us for associating ourselves with him. He should not work at Texas because of HIS DIRECT ACTIONS. No speculation or suspending disbelief is necessary.
He only deleted the Tweets when the social media backlash began (furthering @Good.Shepherd 's point about no real vetting). He has issued no statement clarifying his intentions or apologizing. Herman answered a few softballs on the Longhorn flagship radio station and has released no statement. Perrin was asleep at the wheel and Herman was tone deaf. We will be brought up every single time a new Baylor fact is released. That is one of the prices Herman chose to pay by hiring him.
I hope @Ketchum @Anwar Richardson and @Alex Dunlap ask appropriate questions Wednesday.
Went over my head.Question from a Mod:
"One of our respected posters said that Perrin was asleep at the wheel and that you were tone deaf. Do you agree?"
Herman (with an appropriate pause and stare):
"No. I think that Mike is doing a great job, and he's very smart. Now let's talk football."
No.
I didn't say that the alleged assailant had been convicted. That has not happened yet. Fingers crossed that one day that happens.
Went over my head.
Who cares what some poster says. Examine the facts and ask questions about the facts. Horny met with Herman and agreed to the position before NYE. The official hire isn't released for about 10 days. It is released with absolutely zero acknowledgement of the BU situation he was fleeing. It takes over a week for Perrin to release a "statement." Would you describe that as active management and oversight?Question from a Mod:
"One of our respected posters said that Perrin was asleep at the wheel and that you were tone deaf. Do you agree?"
Herman (with an appropriate pause and stare):
"No. I think that Mike is doing a great job, and he's very smart. Now let's talk football."
No.
Who cares what some poster says. Examine the facts and ask questions about the facts. Horny met with Herman and agreed to the position before NYE. The official hire isn't released for about 10 days. It is released with absolutely zero acknowledgement of the BU situation he was fleeing. It takes over a week for Perrin to release a "statement." Would you describe that as active management and oversight?
I believe Herman said was surprised by the backlash in the radio interview. If I am incorrect, then I apologize. Ask him what details he knew and no knows about the Baylor situation. Ask him how closely he followed it as it unfolded? Why didn't he ask Horny to delete the Tweets and make a statement addressing them? Why not craft a statement when announcing the hire? What kind of 'vetting' can you really do on someone when Baylor refuses to talk to anyone about anything? Would you describe Herman as having a great understanding of the entire Baylor situation?
I can handle that easily. Reasonable minds can evaluate facts and respectfully disagree. Hook Em!You raise valid points, and it will be interesting to see the approach that Herman takes.
I and others are just not as upset at the Horny hiring as you and others. Just a difference of opinions, and that is said respectfully.
I would offer a world that was impacted the most is one you aren't possibly as familiar with as others.
I pose the question because it probably needs to be asked.
If in the very small chance it turns out that Horny was involved, even to a slight degree, what become the consequences of hiring him?
Isn't it important to consider that the Williams sisters probably never would have been given a chance if not for Owens, Jackie and Ali? There story is amazing but I doubt they've been spit on, had to stay in seperate motels, dealt with Nazi wrath, or hit .342 for a career. There would not be black baseball players if not for Robinson. How many african american young women have dominated tennis since they were inspired by the Williams?and if they'd just went on to be solid pros, it would be a world class story.
They've dominated the entire sport for essentially two decades, since they were in their teens.
I won't comment much further on the subject out of respect to the young woman.Ketch,
I give you credit for providing more context. For the sake of clarity, are you referring to someone already indicted last year in Waco?
I don't think that's completely fair of Perrin, but he is probably more pro-supportive than pro-ask a bunch of questions.I didn't pick up the quote properly in the last part of his post. It was a reference to his point about Perrin being asleep at the wheel and Herman being tone deaf.
This isn't about football. No other sites were talking about Baylor's coverup months ago either. It needs to continue to be brought up until there are answers. Would you feel the same if Strong was the coach that hired Horny? Yeah, probably not.People just have horny fatigue. For the most part this site is the only one making it a big topic. I scanned inside texas earlier going back several days and could find very little mention or discussion. Certainly no large outrage or people demanding answers. I'm guessing 247 is the same. Texas being mentioned with this is certainly not remotely a national story. Hell 99% of the General Texas fanbase outside the small fringe online likely doesn't even know who Horny is and prob never will since he's not a coach. I think people saying let it go are Just tired of the constant daily threads here when you aren't seeing this outrage outside of here. We don't know horny is guilty of anything and many are uncomfortable about just presuming guilt because Baylor is trash. That and Texas claims he was vetted Which other insiders have even confirmed..even if people wonder how much. It's just hard to manufacture so much over an administrative assistant so it's not really surprising to me people are saying let it go and getting tired of the subject being pushed by moderators
What I know is that a generation of young black women, and black people in general, view the Williams sisters as something more than you seem to believe.And you would be wrong, but I guess if you pretend that you know so much about me you can feel justified in preaching to me.
Shouldn't 20 years of dominance in a sport that has never seen anything like them, before or since, make for a greater testimony to the impact of their greatness?Isn't it important to consider that the Williams sisters probably never would have been given a chance if not for Owens, Jackie and Ali? There story is amazing but I doubt they've been spit on, had to stay in seperate motels, dealt with Nazi wrath, or hit .342 for a career. There would not be black baseball players if not for Robinson. How many african american young women have dominated tennis since they were inspired by the Williams?
one other interesting piece of the puzzle - Venus suffers from Sjogrens Syndrome, which can be much more than just dry eyes and mouth - flare ups and can lead to other immunology related diseases (I know personally) - so her successes are that much more wonderful IMOyup, yup, yup.
Dude, I respect the discussion you brought to other threads, though I vehemently disagree with your takes, but this is just full potato. Take a break.
I get it, they've both kicked ass since the Clinton administration. Fantastic sports story but maybe top 3-4.Shouldn't 20 years of dominance in a sport that has never seen anything like them, before or since, make for a greater testimony to the impact of their greatness?
No doubt. What she did the last two weeks was a borderline miracle.one other interesting piece of the puzzle - Venus suffers from Sjogrens Syndrome, which can be much more than just dry eyes and mouth - flare ups and can lead to other immunology related diseases (I know personally) - so her successes are that much more wonderful IMO
isn't that potentially splitting hairs?I get it, they've both kicked ass since the Clinton administration. Fantastic sports story but maybe top 3-4.
BS! Lincoln kicked Washington's ass!!isn't that potentially splitting hairs?
Hey, that Lincoln was a top four president, but he's no Washington...
I won't comment much further on the subject out of respect to the young woman.