Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Channeling my inner Matthew... )
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Right back at you. Your logic must be so profound that literally nobody in this thread can understand it.
I personally don't believe either quarterback is capable right now of being way ahead.
That line is not the thing everyone should remain obsessed about. I've literally paid it very little attention other than to understand that the source felt very firm about his position.
You stated he made it to the pro's. My point is his team is in deep doo-doo if he has to
play any signifigant snaps.
that's simply not true. I literally spent the entire first section focusing on the facts and the logic that can be obtained with them.
The coaches need to have a full contact day, where the QBs are NOT off limits. Swoopes will fall right into the twos and we can move on. I thought the spring game already showed he can't handle the pressure, not to mention the past three years. He can take a hit during 18 wheeler packages but doesn't have the poise to sit in the pocket and make a throw. When will they learn he's a non-contact practice warrior.
no, the number of people not getting it within the context of the number of people reading it is quite small.
except that has nothing to do with the original point, which I suppose I just didn't hit hard enough with a hammer.
I listed my reasons earlier. You're too dug in on your story and trying back Anwar to take a balanced look at this.
You and Anwar "yelled fire in a theatre" last week with the swoopes story. Not one single person other than your "source" has stated what you and Anwar posted here.
The smart and common sense prediction would be that both play and possibly split time early but at some point this year SB will take over and play exclusively.
Yet you continue to back the SINGLE "source" that said swoopes is head and shoulders better than SB. You look dumb and everyone here thinks the same. But I realize you're too dug in now to back down.
Hey at least you have a lot of clicks this week.
I understand that they do not know who the starter is today. In a perfect world you want your starter to get the majority of snaps and he is QB1. The battle goes on but the war is not lost if the QB1 is not getting a majority of reps at this point in fall camp. If it continues as they prepare for ND, that is a problem. If they plan on playing both QBs, as CS has stated, then both should get equal amount of reps when preparing for ND.
I'm not in disagreement with Anwar's accuracy of his report.
He was being butchered by Texas fans and he left - can't say as I blame him.
Counter that with how Swoopes handled his situation - the crap TS has/is receiving for the past 2+ years is as bad if not worse than Gilbert's - yet Tyrone hangs in there, remains a team player and learns his 4th offensive system in 4 years - this kid deserves better than the ass wipe haters we have here.
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ok. Feel free to refute any of the following. Use specifics. Also, if we end up being right and the direction we're reported the race to be going in remains the same, do I get an apology for your slander?
p.s. we're not in the clicks business. I have never once in 16 years discussed the need for clicks with any person who has ever worked for us. If you don't believe me, feel free to ask any of them, whether they work here now or somewhere else.
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As Anwar Richards wrote on Sunday, there are two absolutes that we can agree on.
The first one is that Tyrone Swoopes and Shane Buechele are both taking shared reps with the first-team offense. We can quibble about who has more snaps on any given day because those numbers are constantly varied, but not one person in the world would claim that up until now it has not been a shared position.
Anyone disagree? Ok, let’s move on.
The second thing that we can all agree on is that if the coaches know with absolute certainty that Shane Buechele is going to start the opener, he needs to be taking every first-team rep that his human hands can get. We’re talking about a true freshman potentially playing in his first game in prime-time on a Sunday night against a top 10 team that just happens to be the most well-known program in college football.
If he takes 1,000 reps every day, it might not be enough if 1,001 are available. I feel like we can all agree to that, right?
Anyone disagree? Ok, let’s move on.
Logic would dictate that the surest sign that we’ve got about this quarterback battle being anything but a slam dunk for Buechele to be named the starter is the fact that he’s not dominating the lion's share of the snaps and there’s not an indication that this is going to change over the course of the next week at a minimum. If Buechele is definitely going to be the starter and you’re robbing him of valuable reps, you’re not just cheating Buechele, you’re cheating the offense, the defense and the entire coaching staff.
As Anwar also pointed out, it’s logical to think that if this competition was truly close, the tie would go to the younger player, as that’s a pretty common line of thinking in these types of discussions. You’ve probably seen me write, “If he’s even, he’s leaving” about 1,000 times in the last year.
Well, nobody has left at this point and it has me believing a few things.
As crazy as it sounds, Tyrone Swoopes is ahead in the competition . Maybe not by a lot, but maybe not by a mere smidge, either. If this wasn’t the case, none of the last 384 words would have been written for reasons explained in those 384 words.
The coaches are going to give Shane Buechele every chance to win the job. In a perfect world, I believe they want him to take the damn thing and go with it. If nothing else, it’s the best thing from a political and optical prism for the program.
The coaches aren’t stupid.
I think Charlie thought a month ago that Buechele would have won the job by now and it explains why he was so sure he would name a starter early on and be done with it, but things have gone in the opposite direction.
Given what has taken place, Charlie almost certainly wants to show his hand to Notre Dame as little as possible. I think logic would indicate that gamesmanship doesn’t outweigh the need to get a young player ready, if he’s definitely going to start, so I think there’s a little bit of a clue of what’s happening in Charlie’s gamesmanship.
Here’s the last thing I’m going to point out before moving on to the rest of the column.
A lot of coaches hate playing true freshmen.
Mack Brown used to quote Joe Paterno on the subject and once touted that he had always heard that every pair of freshman legs playing on the field for you will translate to a loss. Now, we know that Charlie isn’t afraid to throw a true freshman on the field, but a true freshman quarterback is a different animal, especially when the opener is in prime-time against Notre Freaking Dame.
The gut for almost every non-millennial head coach is to play it a little more conservative if you have a conservative option. Defensive-minded head coaches are especially prone to conservative thinking versus the type of throw caution to the wind thinking that is starting a true freshman quarterback in a game of massive magnitude.
It’s like watching professional poker on television. Everyone has an opinion about calls, checks or bets when it’s not their money, but put them in a cash game for $20 and suddenly their hands are shaking. You can probably tell Charlie to his face that Buechele should start for a million reasons and can’t be worse than Swoopes, but he might just look at you and think, “Yeah, easy for you to say, but your ass isn’t the one on the line.”
At the end of the day, I’m not telling you that Swoopes should start because I literally wrote a column a week ago asserting that, “It’s Buechele.” I’m not telling you that Buechele won’t win the job because it’s the thing I keep expecting to take place.
What I am telling you is that if you eliminate your fury from the last six years, take a deep breath and attempt to view what’s happening from a logical perspective, there are answers to be found. You might not like them at all, but they are there.
Yes, but many people believe that the decision is already known and there is reporting that ha suggested that it is.
Most of my thesis is built on disproving the idea that anything is settled.
@Ketchum simple question, do you stand by the original story Anwar posted that said Swoopes is head and shoulders ahead of SB and is expected to be named the starter? That was the original story that set off the fire storm. Has Anwar changed his story since then? Maybe I missed something
He shouldn't have been booed. However, he shouldn't have abandoned his team because he got booed by some fans that acted like jackasses. He could've won his job back.
And even though it was wrong for people to boo Gilbert, playing QB at UT isn't all roses. People wanted VY to move to receiver. People talked about Chiles taking McCoy's spot (pretty sure a few even talked about Gilbert taking his spot). Major lost his job to Simms. And Simms got it much worse than Gilbert.
The last thing I'll add is that even though I would've disagreed with Gilbert's decision to transfer if he had waited until after the season, I would've had more respect for him. I thought it was very disrespectful for him to be searching in the middle of the season.
Actually they did split the reps so close to the regular season. That was Moras way of splitting them up, rotating days. Neuheisel had days after that where he took all of the 1st team reps.
http://www.insidesocal.com/ucla/201...to-finding-a-starting-quarterback/#more-26745
In fact, a week after Rosen had that day where he took all the first team reps Mora said this about the competition August 18th:
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“We are no closer,” head coach Jim Mora said Tuesday evening. “There’s nothing on the horizon in regards to a quarterback decision. I’m waiting to see somebody win the job. And nobody’s won it yet.”
More than halfway through preseason training camp, the Bruins have continued to rotate true freshman Josh Rosen and redshirt juniors Jerry Neuheisel and Mike Fafaul — declining to cut it down to even a two-man competition.
I guess we should have read into that Rosen was not the guy? So it was beyond the halfway point in August and he wasn't giving any inclination it was Rosens job at that point, even if it was, and was still not giving him every single rep to prepare him for week 1. Only reason I even bring that up is because you said:
That is exactly what they did. It's not like they handed him every snap and awarded him the position. On August 20th was when he snapped on him in front of the media, and he was still rotating in. Of course he was announced starter around the time install took place, but Shane has plenty of time for that to happen. Thus, not sure why we are reading anything into the fact that "well if Shane was the guy he would be getting all the snaps already" one week into training camp when coaches don't usually do that, especially for a true fish.
In fact it was 3 guys playing a part, so I guess they did Rosen no favors by not announcing him starter sooner and letting only him take 1st team reps the entire way?
I agree the conversation is running in circles.
The root issue IMO is that Tyrone Swoopes shouldn't be in the picture at all anymore and there's misguided anger as a result.
The 2016 QB competition should really be between an JUCO/Graduate Transfer option the program brought in and let's say a QB from the 2015 recruiting class, not considered a long term project. We have neither as a viable option. For example, you could have Jerod Evans, who Justin Fuentes secured a commitment from after being the Virginia Tech head coach for a whole two weeks on the job, in a battle with a Shane Buechele type from the 2015 class.
But due to Strong's inability to secure neither, we don't have those options and instead, people are misdirecting their anger towards Anwar, when in reality, the current situation is due to the head football coach. On top of that, if you canned Shawn Watson when he should've been fired, you're now a year ahead in the installation process. Instead, we have the current situation, which is still operating on training wheels.
And none of these issues is water under the bridge, because piss poor decisions made in regards to the offense are still being made and will likely continue to be made - Exhibit 1 being Tyrone Swoopes still being in the conversation for QB1..
Maybe we need one of your tacit supporters to explain it to us. If anyone understands and supports Ketch's logic as to why an incompetent college quarterback in a new offense, who is reportedly way ahead in the quarterback race, doesn't need to be taking as many reps with the first team as Buechele, please explain it to us. Thanks in advance.
Ok. I will bite. How many reps is the second team unit getting in practicing running the offense, and what quarterback is taking those reps?
To be fair, you and other mods created this monster on OB with all of the SB love fest from Spring until now and dismissed TS. I fell for it as well because we know who TS is and the unknown of SB seemed much more attractive.
I'm not blaming you and other mods, things change.
With that said, I think SB will play more than TS in the opener, but TS will start and that will be in order to not let the moment overwhelm SB in his first game. There is a difference in taking the first snaps vs. coming in on the second series.
It is going in circles but the other side to your arguement has good points as well and how this site has been reporting on the QB situation has contributed to some of the angst especially when a "top" source comes out the disagrees with what practice reports based on people seeing them in person said and mods discussing from other sources had been saying for the past fe weeks. I mean Saturday morning you had a post in one thread still thinking Shane would be named the starter and a column a week ago saying the same thing
Which disagrees with the "bombshell" report
Dropped here the other day that set this site on tilt. The fact you don't even agree someone has blown out the other guy makes that report look even more Ridiculous
These are fluid situations. Appearantly Swoopes showed up ready to compete. So it's possible our widely held belief this offseason might not jibe with the current state of things. I don't see how you can assign blame or responsibility for that.
We still haven't reached a day where Buechele took all of the reps in practice
I got the point. Garrett has a super bowl ring. So do Dillon Day, Danny Mason, Tauren Nixon and Chuck Ndulue. Bouncing around the league from one practice squad to another for two years before getting cut once again is not really a pro career. NE signed
him to their practice squad in a real head scratcher. He never contributed anything towards helping NE win that Super Bowl. I guess getting a Super Bowl ring and earning
one are just different . IMO.
Just because you think you are right doesn't mean you are . To suggest you are the only one using logic is arrogant .
Time will tell who is right. It has not been set into stone right now
Re #3 "the future's so bright I gotta wear shades".
The 2015 and 2016 classes will be the foundation for something special.
Re#5 The o-line is paperthin after the starting 5.
Mattox needs to get the young pups ready to play quickly.Getting a quality two deep
all along the line has to be a priority.
The 2015 and 2016 classes will be the foundation for something special.
Re#5 The o-line is paperthin after the starting 5.
Mattox needs to get the young pups ready to play quickly.Getting a quality two deep
all along the line has to be a priority.
