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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (On Bru McCoy, Mount Vernon ISD and more ...)

Welp this thread went off the rails. Would love to have a further debate @Ketchum about Jordan’s perception during his pre-championship years, but obviously this thread is not it.
Until he got through the Pistons and won a title in his seventh season (?), he was viewed by a lot of people as a glorified ball-hawg that came up short in the big moments.

He was viewed as incapable of beating the Pistons by a LOT of people.

They weren't smart people, but we don't lack stupids now, either.
 
Ok guys, headed to the pool with the kids. Careful not to set the place on fire while I'm gone.

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Idiots showing their true colors by attacking @Ketchum because he used a quote from their hero to make a point about men who abuse their power at the expense of women. Y’all may love Trump but he’s a serial cheater and scum bag when it comes to women. Those were his words - they meant something. It was a valid and very appropriate quote for the situation. Good grief people!
 
I'm not really a huge fan. I don't care about him or the Bucks.

I have eyes and a brain, though.:D
So your eyes and your brain say that underperforming and folding under pressure down the stretch of 4 straight games as the one seed is no different than what Jordan did in 89 as the 6 seed? Did you even watch the NBA in 89? l
 
So your eyes and your brain say that underperforming and folding under pressure down the stretch of 4 straight games as the one seed is no different than what Jordan did in 89 as the 6 seed? Did you even watch the NBA in 89? l
What did Giannis average in his first Conference finals at the age 24?

While you look it up, realize that he had a poor couple of games by incredibly lofty standards and he'll learn from it.

Happened to Lebron. happened to Dirk. happened to KD. Happened to Kobe.
 
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Love your top 10 country list...was wondering why few mentioned "You Don't Know Me" written by Eddie Arnold. It is one of those songs that has been sung by many but excelled by Ray Charles.
When we do music lists we sometimes don't recognize how a song transcends to other artists.
"Desperado" and "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" are other great songs that doesn't make many lists but is sung by many singers.
Here is Amy Lee's version if anyone has time:
 
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Until he got through the Pistons and won a title in his seventh season (?), he was viewed by a lot of people as a glorified ball-hawg that came up short in the big moments.

He was viewed as incapable of beating the Pistons by a LOT of people.

They weren't smart people, but we don't lack stupids now, either.

Don’t disagree with any of this. Very different narrative then what is being said about Giannis. As I stated, nobody ever claimed he wilted/disappeared in those playoffs, the way they are talking about the Giannis. They definitely had many other criticisms of him. Some of which was very valid.

I am sure you have read it, but “The Jordan Rules” was one of my favorite books growing up, and really goes into the medias perception of him as a player at the time.
 
good grief. what a way to view the world.

Have a blessed day.
You always respond with some comment like this when someone has made a good point that disagrees with your viewpoint and you don’t know how to respond. It’s either this type of comment or the gif of the lilo and stitch character getting patted on the head.
 
I find it amusing that the same people that hate Briles for what he has done are the same people wanting men and women to use the same bathroom and allowing men to compete as women in sports. Then turn around and wonder what went wrong.

I think Briles is a POS. But you SJW are hypocrites.
Ho Lee fuk. The 1950s are calling. Pick up the phone.
 
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Idiots showing their true colors by attacking @Ketchum because he used a quote from their hero to make a point about men who abuse their power at the expense of women. Y’all may love Trump but he’s a serial cheater and scum bag when it comes to women. Those were his words - they meant something. It was a valid and very appropriate quote for the situation. Good grief people!

He very well may be “a serial cheater and scumbag when it comes to women”, that does not equate to rapist or enabler.
Again, why throw that line in the article if you didn’t want people to note the reference?
We did have someone in the highest office that we KNOW abused his power to abuse women. Maybe that would have been a more appropriate reference if he wanted to be edgy...

I probably would have left that line of thought out completely, but that’s just me.
 
Don’t disagree with any of this. Very different narrative then what is being said about Giannis. As I stated, nobody ever claimed he wilted/disappeared in those playoffs, the way they are talking about the Giannis. They definitely had many other criticisms of him. Some of which was very valid.

I am sure you have read it, but “The Jordan Rules” was one of my favorite books growing up, and really goes into the medias perception of him as a player at the time.
Great book. The bottom line for me is we marginalize other-worldly players that lose at a certain spot based on an incredibly small sample size.
 
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He very well may be “a serial cheater and scumbag when it comes to women”, that does not equate to rapist or enabler.
He's literally has been accused of sexual assault more times than I can count.

His ex-wife accused him of raping her.

60 million+ people voted for him. You're damn right it is a relevant indictment on us as a society and the way we protect people who hurt women.
 
He very well may be “a serial cheater and scumbag when it comes to women”, that does not equate to rapist or enabler.
Again, why throw that line in the article if you didn’t want people to note the reference?
We did have someone in the highest office that we KNOW abused his power to abuse women. Maybe that would have been a more appropriate reference if he wanted to be edgy...
Except that dude hasn’t been in power in 18 freaking years! The current president of the US made a comment about abusing his power over women because he’s able to grab them by the pussy because he’s famous, and you’d rather hearken back to a president from nearly 2 decades ago. But Ketch is the one making it political right? Go back to Baylor dude, you’d fit in better there with that attitude.
 
Disappointed if Bru does leave UT. And yeah, a commitment is a commitment—but if he leaves UT best wishes to him. I’ve got a kid the same age, going to UT next year that turned down some scholarships elsewhere. He’s not as far as I know having second thoughts but if he is I’ll listen and go with his decision. This ain’t life or death. It matters most to the kid deciding his college future. I’d like to not see OB bash this kid—if it’s not what he wants then so be it, and if it’s within the realm of NCAA acceptability so be it.
 
I didn't give a shit about the conference baseball tournament a year ago when Texas was, I guess, the top seed. No idea who won it. When will it just die, along with basketball and the current football format?
 
So how about going with the reference that is proven vs. conjecture?
Or why go there at all when you don’t have to to make the point?
I assume you knew exactly what you were doing when you wrote it, maybe I’m wrong on that.
 
What did Giannis average in his first Conference finals at the age 24?

While you look it up, realize that he had a poor couple of games by incredibly lofty standards and he'll learn from it.

Happened to Lebron. happened to Dirk. happened to KD. Happened to Kobe.
Age is an excuse and yes a lot of players played really well at that age in the conference finals. Hakeem was 23, Tim was 24, Shaq was 23, Walton was 24. Malone at 22 averaged 35 percent more points a game and 30% more rebounds a game in the conference finals than the regular season though they lost to the Sixers. Some players are not ready for the big stage the first time they get to it but a lot of players are.
 
He's literally has been accused of sexual assault more times than I can count.

His ex-wife accused him of raping her.

60 million+ people voted for him. You're damn right it is a relevant indictment on us as a society and the way we protect people who hurt women.

So, just for the record, you feel the same about Bill and Hillary?
 
Great book. The bottom line for me is we marginalize other-worldly players that lose at a certain spot based on an incredibly small sample size.

100%. I also think on the flip side we want to rush and compare exceptional athletes to greatest with a small sample size. I honestly don’t think we truly see how great a basketball player is until season 6-7.

Giannis has all the tools to take over LeBrons crown of best in the NBA. I just don’t see him as a top 5 player right now.
 
Except that the Clintons have still been politically relevant, too. Btw, that trump tape was what, at least a decade old?

Again, I think it was a horrible thing to say, whether he thought it was private or not. It does not equate to Briles.

And I said, I agree Briles is a horrible person. I believe he should never work again and it would still be too good for him.

But you conveniently ignore that part. i’m Not a trump fanboy, just tired of the double standard and would love for politics to not be injected here.
 
So how about going with the reference that is proven vs. conjecture?
Or why go there at all when you don’t have to to make the point?
I assume you knew exactly what you were doing when you wrote it, maybe I’m wrong on that.
Keep digging the damn hole. There’s no conjecture about either Clinton or Trump. Both are scumbags when it comes to women. But one is the current president and one is nearly 2 decades removed from office. Find another bogeyman dude. The fact that you are blind to that and are defending “your guy” when he’s every bit as gross as the other guy says way more about you than anything else.
 
Here is the link to the celebratory Briles video on their FB page. Comments are open....

 
Age is an excuse and yes a lot of players played really well at that age in the conference finals. Hakeem was 23, Tim was 24, Shaq was 23, Walton was 24. Malone at 22 averaged 35 percent more points a game and 30% more rebounds a game in the conference finals than the regular season though they lost to the Sixers. Some players are not ready for the big stage the first time they get to it but a lot of players are.

Obligatory D Wade post.

He won it all when he was 24.

Probably would've beat the Pistons the year before too had he not got hurt.
 
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Where did I defend trump?

I’m sorry you aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying.

If that’s digging, hand me a bigger shovel.

I guess I really don’t understand why you would include a reference like that at all. Especially when you claim to not want politics on the main board.
 
Keep digging the damn hole. There’s no conjecture about either Clinton or Trump. Both are scumbags when it comes to women. But one is the current president and one is nearly 2 decades removed from office. Find another bogeyman dude. The fact that you are blind to that and are defending “your guy” when he’s every bit as gross as the other guy says way more about you than anything else.

However, a good portion of the people who are hyperventilating over Trump, were borderline silent in comparison regarding their offense about Clinton. Many call that hypocrisy. You can call it what you want.

I disregard anyone on either side of the political isle who is going to attempt and dictate how upset or outraged another person is or should be. The need to personally appoint themselves as the moral compass for someone else is easily one of the most repulsive traits that have exploded in the social media era.
 
Don’t disagree with any of this. Very different narrative then what is being said about Giannis. As I stated, nobody ever claimed he wilted/disappeared in those playoffs, the way they are talking about the Giannis. They definitely had many other criticisms of him. Some of which was very valid.

I am sure you have read it, but “The Jordan Rules” was one of my favorite books growing up, and really goes into the medias perception of him as a player at the time.
Because he didn't? Jordan never lost a playoff series as the higher seed. The list of players who can say that post 1970 and played in the playoffs for at least 5 years is a really short list. He basically did what Lebron did last year in 89 but when he got to the conference finals as the 6th seed he had to play one of the best teams of all time and not a team missing two of their best players. Jordan just didn't have the team to get to the finals earlier in his career. The Bull's didn't even have a winning record until 88 and that team's second leading scorer in the playoffs was Sam Vincent. Remember him? Most of the guys I went to college with along with myself wondered what would happen if he got some real talent to play along side of him. That started in 87 with the great trade of Olden Polynice for Pippen during the draft. I was a big Magic fan and actually thought we could win the series after winning game 1 in 91. Yeah I a little off on that call.
 
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@Ketchum , I always have wondered your obsession with the Baylor/Briles situation....I now understand , since today you have been so gracious to lift the vail to your past . My son and daughter-in law both went to Baylor and never experienced the level of depravity that existed in the athletic department but at least now I understand your point of view and please except apologies for doubting you motivation.

HookEm
 
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