Amen Ketch regarding Mount Vernon - I've been making calls / writing emails and will continue to do so. Hope others find the time.
Until he got through the Pistons and won a title in his seventh season (?), he was viewed by a lot of people as a glorified ball-hawg that came up short in the big moments.Welp this thread went off the rails. Would love to have a further debate @Ketchum about Jordan’s perception during his pre-championship years, but obviously this thread is not it.
Ok guys, headed to the pool with the kids. Careful not to set the place on fire while I'm gone.
Or maybe you can go there. I'm done talking about it. Apologies if it hit a sore spot.
I'm not trying to protect enablers.
kid?You were totally the “my ball, my rules” kid growing up, weren’t you?
So your eyes and your brain say that underperforming and folding under pressure down the stretch of 4 straight games as the one seed is no different than what Jordan did in 89 as the 6 seed? Did you even watch the NBA in 89? lI'm not really a huge fan. I don't care about him or the Bucks.
I have eyes and a brain, though.![]()
What did Giannis average in his first Conference finals at the age 24?So your eyes and your brain say that underperforming and folding under pressure down the stretch of 4 straight games as the one seed is no different than what Jordan did in 89 as the 6 seed? Did you even watch the NBA in 89? l
Until he got through the Pistons and won a title in his seventh season (?), he was viewed by a lot of people as a glorified ball-hawg that came up short in the big moments.
He was viewed as incapable of beating the Pistons by a LOT of people.
They weren't smart people, but we don't lack stupids now, either.
You always respond with some comment like this when someone has made a good point that disagrees with your viewpoint and you don’t know how to respond. It’s either this type of comment or the gif of the lilo and stitch character getting patted on the head.good grief. what a way to view the world.
Have a blessed day.
I'm not used to people liking my lists.Love your top 10 country list...
Ho Lee fuk. The 1950s are calling. Pick up the phone.I find it amusing that the same people that hate Briles for what he has done are the same people wanting men and women to use the same bathroom and allowing men to compete as women in sports. Then turn around and wonder what went wrong.
I think Briles is a POS. But you SJW are hypocrites.
Idiots showing their true colors by attacking @Ketchum because he used a quote from their hero to make a point about men who abuse their power at the expense of women. Y’all may love Trump but he’s a serial cheater and scum bag when it comes to women. Those were his words - they meant something. It was a valid and very appropriate quote for the situation. Good grief people!
Great book. The bottom line for me is we marginalize other-worldly players that lose at a certain spot based on an incredibly small sample size.Don’t disagree with any of this. Very different narrative then what is being said about Giannis. As I stated, nobody ever claimed he wilted/disappeared in those playoffs, the way they are talking about the Giannis. They definitely had many other criticisms of him. Some of which was very valid.
I am sure you have read it, but “The Jordan Rules” was one of my favorite books growing up, and really goes into the medias perception of him as a player at the time.
He's literally has been accused of sexual assault more times than I can count.He very well may be “a serial cheater and scumbag when it comes to women”, that does not equate to rapist or enabler.
Except that dude hasn’t been in power in 18 freaking years! The current president of the US made a comment about abusing his power over women because he’s able to grab them by the pussy because he’s famous, and you’d rather hearken back to a president from nearly 2 decades ago. But Ketch is the one making it political right? Go back to Baylor dude, you’d fit in better there with that attitude.He very well may be “a serial cheater and scumbag when it comes to women”, that does not equate to rapist or enabler.
Again, why throw that line in the article if you didn’t want people to note the reference?
We did have someone in the highest office that we KNOW abused his power to abuse women. Maybe that would have been a more appropriate reference if he wanted to be edgy...
Age is an excuse and yes a lot of players played really well at that age in the conference finals. Hakeem was 23, Tim was 24, Shaq was 23, Walton was 24. Malone at 22 averaged 35 percent more points a game and 30% more rebounds a game in the conference finals than the regular season though they lost to the Sixers. Some players are not ready for the big stage the first time they get to it but a lot of players are.What did Giannis average in his first Conference finals at the age 24?
While you look it up, realize that he had a poor couple of games by incredibly lofty standards and he'll learn from it.
Happened to Lebron. happened to Dirk. happened to KD. Happened to Kobe.
He's literally has been accused of sexual assault more times than I can count.
His ex-wife accused him of raping her.
60 million+ people voted for him. You're damn right it is a relevant indictment on us as a society and the way we protect people who hurt women.
He's literally has been accused of sexual assault more times than I can count.
His ex-wife accused him of raping her.
60 million+ people voted for him. You're damn right it is a relevant indictment on us as a society and the way we protect people who hurt women.
Great book. The bottom line for me is we marginalize other-worldly players that lose at a certain spot based on an incredibly small sample size.
Keep digging the damn hole. There’s no conjecture about either Clinton or Trump. Both are scumbags when it comes to women. But one is the current president and one is nearly 2 decades removed from office. Find another bogeyman dude. The fact that you are blind to that and are defending “your guy” when he’s every bit as gross as the other guy says way more about you than anything else.So how about going with the reference that is proven vs. conjecture?
Or why go there at all when you don’t have to to make the point?
I assume you knew exactly what you were doing when you wrote it, maybe I’m wrong on that.
Age is an excuse and yes a lot of players played really well at that age in the conference finals. Hakeem was 23, Tim was 24, Shaq was 23, Walton was 24. Malone at 22 averaged 35 percent more points a game and 30% more rebounds a game in the conference finals than the regular season though they lost to the Sixers. Some players are not ready for the big stage the first time they get to it but a lot of players are.
Keep digging the damn hole. There’s no conjecture about either Clinton or Trump. Both are scumbags when it comes to women. But one is the current president and one is nearly 2 decades removed from office. Find another bogeyman dude. The fact that you are blind to that and are defending “your guy” when he’s every bit as gross as the other guy says way more about you than anything else.
Because he didn't? Jordan never lost a playoff series as the higher seed. The list of players who can say that post 1970 and played in the playoffs for at least 5 years is a really short list. He basically did what Lebron did last year in 89 but when he got to the conference finals as the 6th seed he had to play one of the best teams of all time and not a team missing two of their best players. Jordan just didn't have the team to get to the finals earlier in his career. The Bull's didn't even have a winning record until 88 and that team's second leading scorer in the playoffs was Sam Vincent. Remember him? Most of the guys I went to college with along with myself wondered what would happen if he got some real talent to play along side of him. That started in 87 with the great trade of Olden Polynice for Pippen during the draft. I was a big Magic fan and actually thought we could win the series after winning game 1 in 91. Yeah I a little off on that call.Don’t disagree with any of this. Very different narrative then what is being said about Giannis. As I stated, nobody ever claimed he wilted/disappeared in those playoffs, the way they are talking about the Giannis. They definitely had many other criticisms of him. Some of which was very valid.
I am sure you have read it, but “The Jordan Rules” was one of my favorite books growing up, and really goes into the medias perception of him as a player at the time.