I hope you're right. I like KC and I like Worthy. Right now, though, we don't know that for sure.
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It depends how you define "peak".
I think its fair to say that there were at least seven times Nolan had a peak greater than any Roger ever had.
Also, and perhaps most importantly, I like Nolan better.
If I need a pitcher for an entire season...I'd probably take Clemens.
If its just one game? Time to get a ticket on the Nolan Express.
In 2022. Yes.
The coaches felt like a limited Worthy with drops was better than any other option it had.
He had 7 drops that season per PFF. 5 occurred in the last 4 games after the injury. He had 2 in the first 9 games.
That's not a subjective position. It's a posting of facts.
But, Ryan was never the best pitcher in any given year. Clems was that dude repeatedly.It depends how you define "peak".
I think its fair to say that there were at least seven times Nolan had a peak greater than any Roger ever had.
Also, and perhaps most importantly, I like Nolan better.
If I need a pitcher for an entire season...I'd probably take Clemens.
If its just one game? Time to get a ticket on the Nolan Express.
But, I understand liking him more.
These kinds of lists are always contentious. Everyone has their own criteria.
As an aside, I remember trying to ride a 10 speed up a small hill in Boulder, Colorado and though my legs were going to explode. I can't imagine doing that through the French Alps over 150 miles.
It really comes down to that for me. Your list - your rules. I was just commenting on what I would have done.But, Ryan was never the best pitcher in any given year. Clems was that dude repeatedly.
But, I understand liking him more.
Just curious, but are you basing "the best pitcher in any given year" on Cy Young awards? I can understand and respect that position.
However, be careful. Thats subject to voting and bias.
(see: Bush, Reggie - Heisman)
So he had a big , catchable late 4th quarter TD drop in the ok state game in Stillwater that year that could've sealed the win for Texas, and was outside the last 1/4 of the season. It was mid season actually. Can't use the broken hand to explain that one--he blew it.
He also fumbled a ball at kansas state at a critical time of the game (the second half)-also outside the last 4 games of the year.
Worthy's issues were not hand related; they were mental. And he struggled with pressure. The broken hand had nothing to do with it.
It's like the dog competitions. How do I rank a poodle vs. a bull dog.
He injured the hand against Kansas State. Honestly, you should get a better handle on things and his situation before having such an emphatic set of thoughts.
The data I have given you is not subjective.
So those balls that he dropped that were in his hands--balls that you could've caught--nobody else could've made those catches?
The coaches would tell you that no one else would have gotten open to be in a position to make those catches.
Do you not remember 2022? They literally tried a different guy every week on the other outside spot.
Oh man...didn't even think about Dickerson. LT also.
Shit -- Dickerson should be on the list, if only for the Gold Trans Am. LOL
Remember Geoff,
You're the one who keeps up the rationalization of Worthy's drops
I remember those games and dropped balls very clearly--and so do a lot of people. Worthy wasn't criticized for nothing. And the data your giving doesn't explain balls right in the bread-basket that he dropped. Those stats don't explain it at all.
You said earlier that it was the last quarter of the season (and then you said, the last for games)
(those issues were before this time-frame)
And with all due respect-I don't think you have a clear handle on his hand, or enough specifics on how or why his passes were dropped. You keep bringing it up because it fits your narrative, that he dropped those balls because he had a "broken hand."
And you're not objective about Worthy--never have been. You are DEFINATELY the quintessential president of the Worthy fan club
Florida is incredibly disappointing. Basically the '95 cowboys (deion, emmitt, irvin) and a bunch of mediocrity.
could argue that they had the two most naturally gifted basketball players of all time (vince carter & t-mac), but when those are your two best options, you don't have much to talk about.
I'm the one that uses non-confirmation bias data to support his thoughts.
Drop rates per season
2021: 4.6
2022: 10.6
2023: 6.3
Ceedee Lamb
2021: 5.5
2022: 9.1
2023: 10.8
Justin Jefferson
2021: 4.9
2022: 7.7
2023: 4.3
Jamar Chase
2021: 3.8
2022: 5.3
2023: 9.4
If you take away his time with a broken wrist, he's right there with the norms of the best receiver in the sport.
I don't remember the coaches telling us that at all. And don't tell me those other receivers didn't have enough speed to lighten the load and make catchable passes.
NO ONE questions his speed-least of all me. That's never been questioned--ever. It's his hands that have been questioned. And that's completely fair to question that.
Yes, I do remember 2022, and I remember ALL of his critical drops (including the TD drop against alabama last year)--do you???
I think you've brought up some god points here. I think one thing to keep in mind is that all/most sports in the US are dominated by "travel ball" whether that's basketball/baseball/soccer/volleyball/track/softball/etc. Gymnastics certainly falls in that category and they do cost a lot of money. In my experience, there aren't truly elite kids in any sport that are paying much if anything to play on the best AAU teams or MLS Next/ECNL soccer teams or whatever.
I don't know but suspect it's the same in gymnastics.
Another thing you bring up and I'm not sure how to reconcile is the degree to popularity or prestigiousness of it. If so, I'm not sure we can consider baseball or football at the top and not sure where it would fall world wide.
For me, my list would be different and I don't think I'd have Biles at the top but can understand the case being made for her.
She's the only athlete on the list that is the GOAT of their high level sport.
In fact, there's no one else that's really even close.
And all of the competitive cyclists in that era were all found guilty of doping--and yet Lance is the one who got banished--because he was a defiant asshole. If he didn't come back and race in the tour as an old man, he would have literally ridden off into the sunset.I'll find a way to persevere through leaving a disgrace that his sport still hasn't fully recovered from off the list.
He has literally been stripped of his accomplishments.
He is one of the greatest endurance athletes that has ever lived. And by the way, he has rebuilt his wealth, he has become a much nicer person, and they even interview him now on Tour broadcasts.
While people like you continue to hate him, he has completely moved on. Maybe you should as well.
Yes, and the drops were also actions--which is what we're discussing. Also bringing in a receiver like Adenai Mitchell and throwing to him when they really needed critical catches was also an action that suggested, they wanted a receiver with better hands under critical moments to throw to.
And thank goodness Sark did, because we wouldn't have won the conference without him.
Not sure I would respect the opinion of anyone putting Earl behind those three. (AP, ED, & LT)
You made the correct argument yourself in your OP. The focus needs to be on what Earl did, when Earl was Earl.
Being in a position to make catches is not the same as actually making those catches. We could have Noah Lyles at receiver, and if he muffs critical balls, that doesn't do us much good.
I'd put those guys as 2A/B on a list behind Earl if we were to filter down to just "Texas HBs".
This is me grading...
Peterson gets a big knock for going North to attend school.
Dickerson gets a nice bump for screwing the aggs. Additional bonus for surviving a serial killer while at SMU.
LT was a fantastic "all-around" back that is what the modern day game needs in a "3 Down Back" today.
1. I'm not going to claim t be a gymnastics expert and reserve the right to be wrong, especially using Wikipedia.
2. it tells me Biles is #3(currently) all time in Olympic medals.
1. Larisa Latynina - 9 gold - 5 silver - 4 bronze
2. Věra Čáslavská - 7 gold - 4 silver - 0 bronze
3. Simone Biles - 7 gold - 2 silver - 2 bronze
Is that wrong or are you using additional criteria? (like world championships/etc.)
List of Olympic medal leaders in women's gymnastics - Wikipedia
No I'm a big fan of Ketch. But he's the one that keeps bringing up Worthy's hand to justify his drops--not me.
Just for clarification, did you say Biles was the greatest gymnast of all-time or the greatest athlete of all-time?
