Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (The latest on Micah Hudson isn't great...)
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Brooks Koepka has to be considered a top 5 golfer of the last 30 years.
It's not because of what he does in non-majors.
This is literally how we define the greats in every sport.
two things...
a. I don't believe Walsh ever said any such thing.
b. Simms was a winner, whi played his best in the biggest moments.
Maybe that is what you did. But a lot of people who would have had OJ high on their top whatever list don't mention him as much as they did before. Brown's allege rape isn't well known. OJ's murder trial and before that his car chase transfixed the nation.
He's generally an exception for a few various reasons (he was kind of average for much of his career outside of the playoffs), but it's certainly why he gets ranked over someone like Roger Staubach.
Yet, Bradhsaw was an All-Pro once and made only three Pro Bowls.
It's why Bradshaw gets ranked over Dan Fouts, despite Fouts having three times as many All-Pro spots and twice as many pro bowls.
Here is the first mention I can find alluding to him wanting to have drafted simms as his first choice
The 49ers had several QB options on their radar in 1979
The man who directed Bill Walsh’s passing game had a great interview on Peter King’s podcast. He got into a fun Joe Montana story. Listen here.
www.ninersnation.com
His pre-Super Bowl era titles really don't matter, right or wrong.
Also, he won 5 titles.
No, we're talking about running backs.
What Terrell Owens did doesn't matter in this discussion.
Because the first two to three pages were like watching a bunch of 5 year olds argue about their favorite color. I couldn't make it to page 4 as a result.
The information about Hudson and recruiting could have made for some interesting discussion... too bad.
I suppose that’s narrow - I have to have an all time great rb who happened to have been injured during a big game / otherwise their team would rest them
No... pre-modern era.
He played against guys that wouldn't come close to playing in the modern NBA.
But, some people do disagree with me.
He's not a winner as a college football player.
I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.
OJ was a little like Earl. He had an incredibly small window of elite of the elite play. No real post-season success. Career numbers that pale by comparison of others.
That is NOT what you said he said.Here is the first mention I can find alluding to him wanting to have drafted simms as his first choice
The 49ers had several QB options on their radar in 1979
The man who directed Bill Walsh’s passing game had a great interview on Peter King’s podcast. He got into a fun Joe Montana story. Listen here.
Oh, it will. It's not going away.
I can't control what others want to talk about.
When I hit "post", it's out of my hands. These Top 10 lists almost always dominate the conversation.
I think you have to have definitions. If talking career, guys like Emmitt Smith look good and Sayers isn't even a consideration. If talking "best RB for a single season" a lot of other guys like Sayers are possibilities. Sayers had two great years in 1965 and 1966, then injuries wrecked his career. Emmitt tops your RB list because he strung together great season after great season after great season for a decade. Brown is hurt a bit because he ended his career prematurely to be in the movies, retiring when still the best back in the NFL. In fact his best total rushing yardage was in 1965, the year he retired at age 30.
That's not a title. It's just a bowl game.
That game really doesn't change Benson's career much, even if it was a ****ing gutsy performance.
I understand what I said it’s the first thing I could find
It’s the first reference I could find to tangential support to his thinking
The interview I listened to was after his retirement talking about hif offense and it being revolutionary at the time - and yes he could have been blistering about his own greatness but yes it’s what he said - I heard it a decade ago so no I can’t remember the exact forum it was on or of it’s internet available
But it’s not the be all end all to defining greatness.
To say Barry Sanders wasn’t a winner because he was drafted by Detroit is silliness - zero control over the situation to the point he retired yet he’s not a winner.
I competed, in my sport, at a professional level and in my humble opinion the only people that reach that level are winners. People don’t achieve that level of success unless they are a winner to begin with.
There are too many different things beyond a players control. Team sports take an organization to win titles and that includes on and off the court/field personnel.
Individual sports? Championships/titles/wins all day everyday.
Team sports not so much - IMO.
If Bill Walsh had said any such thing, it would be very easy to find. It would be known by almost everyone.
Walsh owes his entire career to Montana.
That’s the criteria you’ve presented me correct?
I can’t use just any gutsy game by like simms needing his spleen? (I think it was) removed after a game etc
Hey, I don't make the rules.
It's how guys earn these labels.
You can't be known as a winner if you don't win at a high level.
My favorite basketball player of all-time is Charles Barkley., he's not remember as a winner. He's remembered for not being a winner, in addition to being a great player.
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